Awana Grand Prix Awana Wheels W/ Oil

[Courtney S]

I'm new here but I did buy DD4H pre-drilled body's and the boys went 1, 2 in the race with new track records. We did this with Stock WB and maximum-velocity graphite.

So my Question will DD4H Oil work with the Awana wheels?
If so what process and products?

If oil wont work is DD4H Graphite better than MV?

Thanks in Advance

Courtney Smith

 

[PushcartDerby]

First off, welcome to the site and congrats to your boys on going 1 and 2.

I don't know the answer to the Awana wheels question as I have never ran them before, you won't find any better products out there than what DD4H sells. If you go with graphite, get the DD4H graphite as it is faster.

More than likely someone else will chime in on the oil on the Awana wheels.

 

[Crash Enburn]

Welcome and congratulations.

Yes, the oil and AWANA wheels do mix. The prep is the same: Clean, polish, (wax), oil, win. I neglected to wax the bores of our wheels [I didn't know any better], and the cars remained fast. I don't think it's necessary for AWANA races.

Should you go the graphite as a lube route, the DD4H graphite is the fastest, followed by Hob-E-Lube. But if you still have the Max-V lube, I'd go ahead and keep using that. Unless there is some *very* close competition -- like thousandths of a second close.

The AWANA races are won more on a good drill job and alignment then they are by the minutia of different lube viscosities.

 

[ngyoung]

Even Hob-E-Lube is better then MV graphite and is second to DD4H in coefficient of friction comparisons. Oil you can get faster but you also have to be more careful with keeping debris off the axles and out of the wheel bore before getting them installed on the car. I think the biggest benefit though is if you have a lot of heats to run without being able to re-lube. Oil you can go up to 100 runs before needing to add more.

If you want to go the oil rougte the axle and wheel bore prep are pretty much the same with both. Prep both with the process that is used in the axle and wheel bore polishing kits. Search YouTube and you can find some videos showing how to do both, some use products found locally or other vendor products but DD4H's are the best. Beyond that, most of the fastest league racers stay pretty tight lipped about any additional prepping. Spraying the axles with Jig-a-loo or Dupont Chain saver are 2 common knowledge oil prep steps that aren't used with graphite. Basically spray an axle with it, shake off the excess, and let it sit for a good 20mins to let the propellent evaporate before applying the oil and installing on the wheels. If you search this forum for those 2 products you will find more detailed instructions.

 

[ngyoung]

Yes this over all else.

Welcome and congratulations.

The AWANA races are won more on a good drill job and alignment then they are by the minutia of different lube viscosities.

If you haven't read "The Keys to Win" sticky in the building tips forum, do so. It details all the basics that will have your kids car dominating the competition. All the other stuff is for going beyond the kids racing or if you know the competition is fierce and you're fighting for that extra thousandths of a second.

http://www.pinewoodderbyonline.com/post/keys-to-win-from-the-pinewood-derby-king-5782181?pid=1272943640#post1272943640

 

[Courtney S]

OK
The above link is great and everybody's help is wonderful. But I need more.

So there are 500 different DD4H polish / oil / red rocket / cheetah kiss/ zero polish bore glass wax....... products.

I don't see enough explanation to know the difference, so please derby masters what do I buy, to run oil?

 

[ngyoung]

If you just get the axle and bore polishing kits you can use all those on your stock parts running with oil and be really fast.

If you want to upgrade to machine wheels which one you use will depend on your local rules and what they allow. I assume DD4H offers an Awana equivalent to all the BSA wheel options you see on the site but you will need to ask. I would look at only the BASX, Rage, or Cheetahs. The farther down you go the more heavily modified the wheels are. If you want to play it safe if you are not sure on the rules you will want the Awana equivalent of the BASX wheels. If there are not any wheel restrictions you could move up to the Rage or Cheetah v.3s. Going any lighter and you will have to deal with fragile wheels that could be warped if you don't know what you're doing.

Axles are a little simpler go with the BSA speed axles or one of the 92x axles.

 

[DerbyDad4Hire]

Get the polish kits and the oil DVD.