Fascinating: MA Scout Oil vs The Pros

[CivilWarTalk]

I am watching the Scout Oil recording tonight, and I find the different car designs fascinating!

So my question is, could the winning scout car, or any from the top 12 from this years event run in a Pro event?

I was comparing the top 12 Scout Oil car times to the results of the Pro cars, and the scout cars seem faster than every type but Eliminator and Unlimited.

If these cars were entered in a pro race, I don't know what category would be appropriate, if any. I'm still new to the Pro rules, so please school me, cause these cars are going fast....

 

[561 racing]

Most of them could run pro with no issues. The only difference is the scout cars had lightened wheels. Most are set up like the street stock class.

 

[CivilWarTalk]

So that's the difference? Is the 3x1 wheel arrangement legal in the pros?

 

[561 racing]

So that's the difference? Is the 3x1 wheel arrangement legal in the pros?

Scout cars can run wheels with weight down to .90 grams where street stock requires 2.0 gram wheels, the 3 wheel configuration is not legal the must be right across from one another.

 

[Crash Enburn]

Was there an apples-to-apples comparison between track setups, though? While the tracks are the same make, model, and length, start gates, timers, and sensor positions all provide variables that would make one track faster (time-wise) than another.

 

[HurriCrane Racing]

My son's car finished 3rd in the open scout oil division. His car would not be competitive with the Pro Division Street Stock cars even with the lighter wheels. On a single pass run my son's car ran 2.937. My Street Stock car in a single pass ran 2.920.

There was a big difference in the two cars, in the fit and finish. Even under my direction, he does not have the ability to finely sand and shape a car.

I cannot speak for the cars that finished ahead of my son but for his car, I'd say it would not have been competitive with the pros.

 

[Knotty Racing]

Hurricrane,

Stats posted would indicate your sons car on MA track finals
avg 2.9253

SS finals on Johns track
Deja 2.9496
BHE 2.9508
DP 2.9517

2.9496 - 2.920 = .0296 So that would mean the MA track is .03 slower than johns? Hard to believe.

Do you have access to track to run the two cars against each other? Would be an interesting comparison.

I find it hard to believe that your sons MA car would not beat your SS car. 1 gram wheels compared to 2 gram wheels?

My sons MA car was faster than my SS car granted your SS car is PDF being .025 faster than mine.

Are you indicating that the finish of the car has that great of an aero effect on times?

 

[ngyoung]

If you want to compare wheel weights I think the lightest MA wheels would need to be run in the Street Pro class. They would also be able to replace the 4th wheel with a guide pin.

HurriCrane. Are you saying that you ran your own pro car on the track the scouts used and got a 2.92? I would assume so since the league SS track record is 2.9384.

 

[3phase]

Are you indicating that the finish of the car has that great of an aero effect on times?

Lightning Boy showed everyone what is possible by having great finish on your car. Hurricrane confirmed it by his win and placement of his other cars.

 

[Bullet]

The scout oil cars are not as fast as the pro SS. On my track, my sons car was still slower than my SS, although, my wheel started coming off my pro car at the race so no direct comparison. Hurricrane's results are the same as mine for comparison. Just not as fast. They would have to run in SP due to the wheel wt and would def get smoked against SP pro.

 

[bracketracer]

If you want to compare wheel weights I think the lightest MA wheels would need to be run in the Street Pro class. They would also be able to replace the 4th wheel with a guide pin.

HurriCrane. Are you saying that you ran your own pro car on the track the scouts used and got a 2.92? I would assume so since the league SS track record is 2.9384.

He ran the 2.92 on the league track, solo. Traffic kills the times that much.

 

[Knotty Racing]

Are you indicating that the finish of the car has that great of an aero effect on times? Lightning Boy showed everyone what is possible by having great finish on your car. Hurricrane confirmed it by his win and placement of his other cars.

I'm out of the loop on this, can you fill me in a little more?

 

[HurriCrane Racing]

Actually, I ran my son's scout car on the NPWDRL track during testing the first night. The times I listed all came from the league track.
What I cannot say is if I could get a car on MA wheels to beat my SS cars if I built it by myself. Maybe DD4H would have an idea if that is possible. My son did his part in building his car, so the sanding and shaping was not quite on par with what I would want for a league car.

The 2.920 came from the testing session before Saturday's race. I lost .03 on average when racing in traffic. This was very surprising to me. Tells me there is still room for improvement when it comes to aero.

 

[OPARENNEN]

Did anyone run the same car, hopefully SS, on both John's track and the MA track?
Are they both the same length and make?

 

[BulldogRacing]

I think they were both 42' best tracks.

 

[xanthrum]

I did -- I had my bearing car run in the Corporate Race "First Mortgage" and then turned right around and ran it in the Unlimited Division "lower my rate" -- should be a really good comparison on times... just about as consistent of a car that you can have.

Truly
Greg Dawes

 

[Knotty Racing]

Gregs times;

MA track = 2.8479

Johns track = 2.8799

Are ulimiteds affected by traffic?

This would indicate that the MA times would be .03 higher on John's track.

 

[bracketracer]

I have to use different ratios for my Unlimiteds and my SS cars between John's track and my track. Probably would be better to have a wide wheel car to compare?

I thought Maglev ran his son's oil car on the league track. I'll text him and see.

 

[bracketracer]

Maglev just texted me back. He ran both his son's car and the car he donated to Twisted Iron's son on the league track, his son's car ran 2.951, Tyler's car ran 2.946 there. They raced on the four lane MA track where his son averaged 2.9357 on smooth runs, Tyler's car only got off one clean run in competition, a 2.9351, the wiggles knocked his average back to 2.9436. His son finished 12th in Open Scout oil.

 

[Maglev]

Based on the time difference mentioned by Bracketracer above; the MA 4 lane track was running about 0.014 faster than the league track. Keep in mind my cars ran solo on the league track but in traffic on the MA track.

What I was most pleased to observe was the difference between the two cars I built was observed even on the MA track - Tyler's car was 6000's faster than my son Abhiru's car. If only it had continued with clean runs it might have placed within the top 8!