Hello! New to Forum, A Question about Mid America

[CivilWarTalk]

Hello!

I'm new here, but I've been lurking for a few months. I've been doing PWD in Cub scouts since last year with my oldest son who was a tiger, and I have two more sons coming so I've plenty of years doing the derby ahead!

Last was our first year, and I built my son's car backwards, our council requires using the stock axle slots and I didn't quite understand COM, so I put the long end at the rear. Came in 3rd at the District race overall with that car. Been learning all kinds of stuff since then...

This year we came in top 5 at districts again, and I'm looking for more speed! So I put my first order in with DD4H and I'm waiting for my package with Silver Bullet inside! Very excited!

I want to send my son's current car in to Mid America in the Scout Open Graphite class.

I'm hoping to modify this year's car by moving the rear axle back and change from 4 wheel to 3 wheels with rears canted, and prep for rail running.

The question:

In the rules for Open Graphite it states: "Nail type axles but not limited to those found in the Official Pinewood Derby kit are to be used."

Would DD4W's Dynasty 92 BSA Axles meet this rule?

I couldn't get the ones with the BSA point because they are out of stock. I ordered a set, but I am willing to take the time to prep a new set of axles from stock if I have to.

 

[561 racing]

Yes johns 92's are legal and suggested.

Ps welcome to the fourm.

 

[CivilWarTalk]

Yes johns 92's are legal and suggested. Ps welcome to the fourm.

Awesome, that's a relief! Hoping to explore oil this summer, may make a BASX car and send it in to try it in the league at some point. Thanks!

 

[Vitamin K]

You can also use lathe-lightened wheels in the Mid-America. If you've got the money to spend on them, that is a definite speed boost. Either way, don't neglect axle and bore prep.

 

[BulldogRacing]

Get Johns oil DVD http://www.shop.derbydad4hire.com/2010-Nationals-Workshop-on-DVD-Unlock-The-OIL-SECRETS-v-2010N.htm

This will teach you the way to use oil and build a very fast car.

 

[CivilWarTalk]

You can also use lathe-lightened wheels in the Mid-America. If you've got the money to spend on them, that is a definite speed boost. Either way, don't neglect axle and bore prep.

Also have Dynasty BASX wheels on the way for this race! Thanks for the tip!

 

[HMH Racing]

For MA you may want to go with a lighter wheel than BASX. If John has not sent them yet you may be able to change the order. You have to run 4 wheels but only 3 have to touch and as long as all markings are on the wheel it is good to go. The MA rules allow for several modifications to wheels and axles, something a lot of Scout races do not allow.

 

[B_Regal Racing]

Get these wheels (to be competitive) as they are much lighter than the BASX wheels (get new axles like 561 recommended):

http://www.shop.derbydad4hire.com/The-Dynasty-Nitro-set-of-4-wheels-W-N.htm

There are slightly lighter wheels, but they do require additional steps for installation (running them reversed).

Save the BASX wheels and race with us in the NPWDRL BASX amateur class.

 

[ngyoung]

There is Nitros and MA Nitros cut specific for the MA rules.
http://www.shop.derbydad4hire.com/The-Dynasty-Nitro-MID-AMERICA-DERBY-Style-set-of-4-wheels-W-NMA.htm

 

[CivilWarTalk]

Reversed meaning the cant is reversed, the wheels run on the inside hub?

 

[ngyoung]

No it means you put the rear wheels on backwards on the axle. So the edge that the wheels ride on is supported by the sidewall. Since the wheels are lightened so much the wheel tread is too flexible on the outside edge where a normally installed rear wheel rides.

Reversed wheels also need spacers so the sidewall doesn't rub against the body. In the case of the ma wheels the hub is cut flush with the wheel so you need the spacer on the front wheel too so the wheel edge doesn't rub the body too.

 

[ngyoung]

Are those wheels an absolute must? No. You may not get first but running slightly heavier wheels that don't need to be reversed is OK. I believe there will be plenty that do or have in the past and still got a decent place.

 

[Obsessedderbydad]

My sons car won't be running MA wheels. I'm not dropping $50 on a scout car /images/boards/smilies/smile.gif. He did the work on his car and we will run it like it is. If he gets beat by a dad scout car with MA wheels, so be it.

 

[DEW36]

Welcome to the forum!!! I sent you a PM.

 

[CivilWarTalk]

Ah, I get it, reverse the wheel, I found the spaces and washers, very tempting, but....

I think I'm going to hold off on the MA Nitros, that seems like a lot of money to spend and even worse, I'm not experienced enough to leap into something technical like that today, but I'll keep it in mind for next year.

If I can find a test track and a testing buddy....

In the mean time, maybe I'll think about the standard Nitros...

I'm also considering building a new car from scratch for Mid America, converting the current scout car is looking more and more dubious...

 

[GravityX]

Just linking your link to make it work correctly.

Get Johns oil DVD http://www.shop.derbydad4hire.com/2010-Nationals-Workshop-on-DVD-Unlock-The-OIL-SECRETS-v-2010N.htm

This will teach you the way to use oil and build a very fast car.