Pinks Race

[Mojo Racing]

VK vs. Chips Pinks All Out

Should this race happen? Yes or No?

 

[BulldogRacing]

yes!

 

[B_Regal Racing]

Someone running with scissors?

 

[Chump Change Racing]

YES!!!/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif/images/boards/smilies/wink.gif/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif/images/boards/smilies/wink.gif

 

[W8NONU]

I need some backstory. Is this really a grudge match or a straight call-out?

 

[Mr Chips Racing]

For those in question why this poll was started I can give my version which VK will most likely give his view point.

A posting for fast wheels in the BASX class was posted and I ( MR Chips) called people whiners because of their comments about the cost of product. Its simple buy it or don't. Race or don't. No reason in my opinion to complain

VK chimed in and simply put I did not like his posting. So since he has never sent in a car and wants to voice his knowledge and opinion I offered him a pinks race. mono e mono. BASX class with the new 2009 wheels and graphite per his request.

His response. Lets use axles and wheels supplied in the kit.

I then said rules allow aftermarket axles and machined wheels.

Ball is in his court.

So I have called out / encouraged him to put his car where his mouth is. We will see if he is willing.

 

[Vitamin K]

Those wanting the full exchange may refer to the original thread.

Here's the short version of my position:

- I currently have one car available for proxy racing this month. Absolutely no time to build another. It is made with stock BSA components, because that's what I'm currently experimenting with.

- I didn't have any intention of sending in to NPWDRL this month, but because I was asked, I'll be willing to do the PINKS race thing, provided my opponent limits himself to the same components that I used.

- If my opponent simply cannot abide to build a car without competition axles and trued wheels, I'll have to decline the PINKS and will notify when I'm building a car with non-stock parts.

 

[Kinser Racing]

Those wanting the full exchange may refer to the original thread.

Here's the short version of my position:

- I currently have one car available for proxy racing this month. Absolutely no time to build another. It is made with stock BSA components, because that's what I'm currently experimenting with.

- I didn't have any intention of sending in to NPWDRL this month, but because I was asked, I'll be willing to do the PINKS race thing, provided my opponent limits himself to the same components that I used.

- If my opponent simply cannot abide to build a car without competition axles and trued wheels, I'll have to decline the PINKS and will notify when I'm building a car with non-stock parts.

The pinks race doesn't have to be this month. You can do it next month. Chips agreed to your request for graphite and is asking that you agree to the BASX rules. I think it's a fair compromise. JMO /images/boards/smilies/wave.gif

 

[Vitamin K]

The pinks race doesn't have to be this month. You can do it next month. Chips agreed to your request for graphite and is asking that you agree to the BASX rules. I think it's a fair compromise. JMO /images/boards/smilies/wave.gif

That's a fair compromise if it isn't this month. I'm not sending a car on BSA axles and untrued wheels against machined axles and trued wheels.

What I'd point out, though, is that my current PWD goal involves exploring the upper limits of stock parts, so that's where my meager building time budget is going. I can offer a stock car to run, but I can't say when I'm going to get around to using non-stock parts.

So if Chips (and the rest of the cheering section) are demanding PINKS now, my terms are right there.

 

[Kinser Racing]

The pinks race doesn't have to be this month. You can do it next month. Chips agreed to your request for graphite and is asking that you agree to the BASX rules. I think it's a fair compromise. JMO /images/boards/smilies/wave.gif

That's a fair compromise if it isn't this month. I'm not sending a car on BSA axles and untrued wheels against machined axles and trued wheels.

What I'd point out, though, is that my current PWD goal involves exploring the upper limits of stock parts, so that's where my meager building time budget is going. I can offer a stock car to run, but I can't say when I'm going to get around to using non-stock parts.

So if Chips (and the rest of the cheering section) are demanding PINKS now, my terms are right there.

So, will you agree to running a pinks race against Chips in July, on graphite with the BASX rules?

 

[derbychip]

The pinks race doesn't have to be this month. You can do it next month. Chips agreed to your request for graphite and is asking that you agree to the BASX rules. I think it's a fair compromise. JMO /images/boards/smilies/wave.gif

That's a fair compromise if it isn't this month. I'm not sending a car on BSA axles and untrued wheels against machined axles and trued wheels.

What I'd point out, though, is that my current PWD goal involves exploring the upper limits of stock parts, so that's where my meager building time budget is going. I can offer a stock car to run, but I can't say when I'm going to get around to using non-stock parts.

So if Chips (and the rest of the cheering section) are demanding PINKS now, my terms are right there.

S good way to base how well your getting your stock parts to run is to build with the after market stuff and compare your time to a similar car you built using stock parts... This will tell you how well the stock stuff is

 

[Vitamin K]

So, will you agree to running a pinks race against Chips in July, on graphite with the BASX rules?

My current goal is to break 3 seconds with stock wheels and axles. If I manage to do that this month, I'm happy to build a BASX car with aftermarket parts for July. If I don't break 3 seconds, though, I'm going to be still working with stock parts for the next car I build. So...it depends.

S good way to base how well your getting your stock parts to run is to build with the after market stuff and compare your time to a similar car you built using stock parts... This will tell you how well the stock stuff is

I'm all for running the car for benchmarking purposes. But I won't do a PINKS race unless both cars are built with equal parts.

 

[Kinser Racing]

So, will you agree to running a pinks race against Chips in July, on graphite with the BASX rules?

My current goal is to break 3 seconds with stock wheels and axles. If I manage to do that this month, I'm happy to build a BASX car with aftermarket parts for July. If I don't break 3 seconds, though, I'm going to be still working with stock parts for the next car I build. So...it depends.

S good way to base how well your getting your stock parts to run is to build with the after market stuff and compare your time to a similar car you built using stock parts... This will tell you how well the stock stuff is

I'm all for running the car for benchmarking purposes. But I won't do a PINKS race unless both cars are built with equal parts.

So build the car with equal parts, BASX rules. There's no rule that you personally can't have 2 cars.

 

[Vitamin K]

So build the car with equal parts, BASX rules. There's no rule that you personally can't have 2 cars.

Of course there's not a rule, but building one car a month is about as fast as I can go and not eat up too much time for the other obligations that I have. And until I break 3 seconds on stock parts, that's where all of my efforts are going to be focused.

Does that make sense?

 

[Kinser Racing]

So build the car with equal parts, BASX rules. There's no rule that you personally can't have 2 cars.

Of course there's not a rule, but building one car a month is about as fast as I can go and not eat up too much time for the other obligations that I have. And until I break 3 seconds on stock parts, that's where all of my efforts are going to be focused.

Does that make sense?

I makes sense but I think at this point you may just be making excuses. You have strong opinions about things and that's great, so do I. You were called out and challenged to a pinks race. At this point it's a gentleman's challenge (though you may not feel it was very gentle). Don't you think it's time to step up and give credence to your opinions? After all, that's what men do when they are challenged. A loss is a small price to pay to maintain ones dignity, wouldn't you agree? /images/boards/smilies/smile.gif

"Cowards die many times before their deaths, The valiant never taste of death but once." /images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif

P.S. I don't dislike you, neither am I trying to put you down. I'm just bringing up points that most men here feel. You don't have to prove anything to anyone but yourself. Wouldn't you like to prove to yourself that you can and will step up to the challenge?

 

[Mr Chips Racing]

I am accepting VK proposal. Awaiting his rules for the build. Since he has the 1 car in his fleet, I will not claim it as a prize should I win. We will race heads up. No other cars on the line. This is an opportunity for me to go back to basics. I may even just go buy a kit and build whats in it and see if the sub 3 can be broken without modification.

Does it get any more fair than this?

 

[Vitamin K]

So build the car with equal parts, BASX rules. There's no rule that you personally can't have 2 cars.

Of course there's not a rule, but building one car a month is about as fast as I can go and not eat up too much time for the other obligations that I have. And until I break 3 seconds on stock parts, that's where all of my efforts are going to be focused.

Does that make sense?

I makes sense but I think at this point you may just be making excuses. You have strong opinions about things and that's great, so do I. You were called out and challenged to a pinks race. At this point it's a gentleman's challenge (though you may not feel it was very gentle). Don't you think it's time to step up and give credence to your opinions? After all, that's what men do when they are challenged. A loss is a small price to pay to maintain ones dignity, wouldn't you agree? /images/boards/smilies/smile.gif

"Cowards die many times before their deaths, The valiant never taste of death but once." /images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif

P.S. I don't dislike you, neither am I trying to put you down. I'm just bringing up points that most men here feel. You don't have to prove anything to anyone but yourself. Wouldn't you like to prove to yourself that you can and will step up to the challenge?

Don't worry Kinser, I respect your opinion, and I respect that you are seldom deliberately antagonistic.

So here's the thing: Either I'm telling the truth, or I'm making excuses. The only person who really knows this is yours truly. Several people here are already inclined to believe the worst about my intentions, so trying to convince them otherwise is a losing game.

But the truth is, I don't honestly care what anybody thinks at this point. If there are a lot of people sitting behind keyboards thinking bad thoughts about me...well...I'll just have to live with that. I know what I'm about, and I don't need to prove anything.

I'm willing to send a car in for a PINKS race just for the heck of it, but I won't do so on uneven building platforms. So, if the other builder wants to use align with what I'm currently building -- cool, we can do that. But if not, we won't. I'm not afraid of losing a race, but I'm also not motivated to send a car in when the deck is stacked against me from the get-go.

In regards to my opinions...yes, I have them. However, the thing of it is: Nothing about the PINKS race is going to "prove" anything in regards to my opinions one way or another. My latest opinions werd in regards to rules philosophy about lightened old-style wheels in BASX races. What's a challenge race going to prove about that? Just because somebody's car is faster than mine doesn't mean that they are correct in their ethical priorities regarding race rules.

 

[Vitamin K]

I am accepting VK proposal. Awaiting his rules for the build. Since he has the 1 car in his fleet, I will not claim it as a prize should I win. We will race heads up. No other cars on the line. This is an opportunity for me to go back to basics. I may even just go buy a kit and build whats in it and see if the sub 3 can be broken without modification.

Does it get any more fair than this?

Sounds good. Posted rules proposal in the other thread.

By racing "heads up", do you mean a race with only two cars in it? Or would these cars run in the BASX class?

Either way, I'm okay, but didn't know that we'd be entitled to a special race (if we were).

 

[Mr Chips Racing]

Heads up race special event.

I am not going to put this car into the BASX category against as you call it a stacked field. I will build a BASX by NPWDRL regulations for that race.

 

[Vitamin K]

Heads up race special event.

I am not going to put this car into the BASX category against as you call it a stacked field. I will build a BASX by NPWDRL regulations for that race.

Okee, so long as DD4H is cool with it.