Removing the outer step

[Rebel Racer]

Hello all. Wondering if someone could steer me in the right direction. I would like to try and remove the outer step on our wheels but I have not tried this before. Should the outer step be brought flush to the inner? What's a safe approach? How much would you potentially gain in speed doing so?

 

[DerbyDad4Hire]

If you don't have a lathe then do not try to do this.

 

[GravityX]

I couldn't agree more! If you don't have a lathe, I wouldn't try this.

Safe approach?... buy from a vendor.

 

[Rebel Racer]

I couldn't agree more! If you don't have a lathe, I wouldn't try this.

Safe approach?... buy from a vendor.

Thank you

 

[HurriCrane Racing]

If you don't have a lathe to remove the outer step, maybe consider using the 92tx axle. The head of the axle is designed to be used with the BSA wheels even if the step is not removed. I've been running them in my cars since last April. They also work well with the step removed so you have both options covered.

 

[HurriCrane Racing]

Without hesitation, I would use the 92tx. Scout rules are often very poorly written and unenforceable.

 

[Rebel Racer]

Without hesitation, I would use the 92tx. Scout rules are often very poorly written and unenforceable.

Sweet

 

[Vitamin K]

I know nobody is a fan of DW tools, but the outer-step removal dealie they make does remove the outer step.

Coning it, on the other hand, is a lot trickier.

 

[HurriCrane Racing]

I agree that it does remove the step as said. The problem is that getting the hub to be true and square is very difficult.

 

[jatofau1]

I know nobody is a fan of DW tools, but the outer-step removal dealie they make does remove the outer step.

Coning it, on the other hand, is a lot trickier.

I tried to use the DW tool once. It did more damage than good. It created imperfections and scratches that I could not remove. I just followed everyones advice in the forum and ran the scout cars without removing the step. The cars are fast enough to win scout races. My kids win every year so far. Our Den does not allow vendor parts.

The question I have is the following. What do your rules allow and what are the other cars running? Are the other cars running vendor parts? If the rules allow vendor wheels and axles than I would buy vendor wheels and axles. Ask John what he would recommend.

If you can't run vendor parts, I would do one of the following. Buy several boxes of scout cars and pick the best wheels and axles out of the bunch to run. Or you can buy premium match molded wheels that have not been modified. I personally buy a bunch of boxes of cars. I need to wood to practice making bodies. My wood working skills are absolutely terrible but I enjoy the challenge.

 

[SuperFastRacing]

I tried to use the DW tool once. It did more damage than good. It created imperfections and scratches that I could not remove. I just followed everyones advice in the forum and ran the scout cars without removing the step. The cars are fast enough to win scout races. My kids win every year so far. Our Den does not allow vendor parts.

The question I have is the following. What do your rules allow and what are the other cars running? Are the other cars running vendor parts? If the rules allow vendor wheels and axles than I would buy vendor wheels and axles. Ask John what he would recommend.

If you can't run vendor parts, I would do one of the following. Buy several boxes of scout cars and pick the best wheels and axles out of the bunch to run. Or you can buy premium match molded wheels that have not been modified. I personally buy a bunch of boxes of cars. I need to wood to practice making bodies. My wood working skills are absolutely terrible but I enjoy the challenge.

What are you looking for in a stock wheel to make them a match besides weight?

 

[jatofau1]

Each wheel has a mold number in side of the wheel. I look for mold numbers 2, 3, 6, 8, and 15. I try to use the same number mold on the car. I try not to mix match the wheels. I also check for to see how round the wheels are using a runout gauge. If I can't find the wheel mold numbers I prefer, I use the runout gauge to find the roundest wheels and use what I have.

 

[SuperFastRacing]

Each wheel has a mold number in side of the wheel. I look for mold numbers 2, 3, 6, 8, and 15. I try to use the same number mold on the car. I try not to mix match the wheels. I also check for to see how round the wheels are using a runout gauge. If I can't find the wheel mold numbers I prefer, I use the runout gauge to find the roundest wheels and use what I have.

I know the revell wheels are from China but are they any good?

 

[jatofau1]

The experts on the board say they are heavier and don't recommend them.

 

[SuperFastRacing]

The experts on the board say they are heavier and don't recommend them.

thanks!

 

[jatofau1]

FYI, the wheel mold numbers are upside down from the lettering inside the wheel, so make sure you don't get number 6 and 9 mixed up.

 

[B_Regal Racing]

DD4H will sell you trued wheels that are not weight reduced. Beings that they are trued, I do know if the mold number matters all that much with using stock parts. They are absolutely legal in any race, anywhere.

http://www.derbydad4hire.com/The-Dynasty-BASX-set-of-4-wheels-W-BASX.htm

 

[Rebel Racer]

Wow hot topic. All of your advice is great. Our pack race isn't all that competitive. It's usually the same scout family's leading the pack year after year. The pack offers a build day for anyone in need of help. The same dad's bring there tools every year and it's always a poor turn out. With that being said vendor parts are not an option at this point. We can stay with stock parts and use your tips and still be very competitive regardless of the rules allowing them or not. I suppose if we can make it past districts we can step things up a bit.
If my boys truly want to build faster cars with me we can build a few proxy cars and try to hang with all you pros. I truly don't think we're at this level yet but it would be fun to try. There's just something about these five ounce seven inch cars that's just got us hooked....
I suppose my point in this whole thing is that we can keep the essence of this father son build and still be fast with a clean conscience.

 

[CTDerbyDad]

I suppose my point in this whole thing is that we can keep the essence of this father son build and still be fast with a clean conscience.

I agree 100%! Even though I know we have dads using vendor parts on their sons cars, I refuse. My son and I spend a ton of time together building his car. I can't imagine cheating at this. And, it doesn't matter if you can get away with it.

This year, to try to nip the cheating in the bud, I let the it be known that we'll be checking for vendor parts (often impossible). The hope is to dissuade the few cheaters out of fear of getting caught and, at the same time, not enlighten a bunch of people to stuff they didn't even know existed.

 

[Rebel Racer]

I agree 100%! Even though I know we have dads using vendor parts on their sons cars, I refuse. My son and I spend a ton of time together building his car. I can't imagine cheating at this. And, it doesn't matter if you can get away with it.

This year, to try to nip the cheating in the bud, I let the it be known that we'll be checking for vendor parts (often impossible). The hope is to dissuade the few cheaters out of fear of getting caught and, at the same time, not enlighten a bunch of people to stuff they didn't even know existed.

Your so very right but to deprive a kid of running his car because dad had to win? I would suggest keeping a race ready set of wheels an axles handy. I just can't find myself to be the bad guy is all. I'm sure that's not what you want either, just saying.