What is the quickest you have seen

[rpenning1970]

I know there are lots of variables but what is the quickest you have seen or had on a 40-42 foot track with all the original parts from the box. Now this would be for the common man who does not have access to things like a lathe or any other specialized items like that. But where you could use the block and drill axle holes and move the wheel base. I am trying to get an idea on where I stand on in my building abilities. Also this is graphite cars only, no oil.

Thanks
Richard

 

[Quicktimederby]

The quickest I seen on my track with slots untouched wheels and graphite, is in the 3.05-3.07 area. I'm sure you can get them quicker that's just what I've seen.

 

[Crash Enburn]

At last year's District Championships, my son's car ran consistent 3.13s running four wheels flat using graphite.

• 42' Best Track (no idea of the timer)
• Wheels and axles from the box (just sanded/polished on our drill press)
• Drilled axle holes
• Standard wheelbase
• Don't have "The Block"

This car was the fastest there by a long shot. Next closest time was a single 3.16.

 

[OTO Racing]

This one is for you bro......
I have seen an average 3.02 ! on a 4 lane 42' besttrack that was set up wrong ! Not to bad !

 

[rpenning1970]

Well I know there are lots of variables so this is going to be hard to figure out. I set up our freedom track last night (borrowed). I anm using Grand Prix and ran our cars on it this morning. The track is 43' 3 1/2 inches from the starting pin to the finish line. I put that into the program and ran the cars making no changes since the other pack race. We ran slower but not by much. My oldest car ran a 3.39 which is just off his best run on the same brand track from another pack. The other track has a higher starting point so I think his car is warming up with more runs. I am building two more cars tonight using everything I have learned prior to and this year. I did a better job on the wheels with the bore polish. I have a more aero car with better weight placement and I will be doing more bend on the DFW axle. I hope to pick up a bit. I will be going back up and running cars again in a few hours to test and tune before our race tomorrow night. I just want to get some fast fast times.

 

[MOFAST]

My son's car on a 42 foot Best track runs 3.06 consistently with all parts from the box, unlathed wheels, and with Hob-E-Lube. We follow ALL rules.That is with using Tungsten fishing weights not the cubes. I also didn't spend hardly any time tuning it. With some tuning and John's graphite, I could have squeezed out some more. This is also with my son doing his own axles and most of the work. He hand painted it and it had a ton of paint on it. He attached all the weights and wheels. I just don't let him cut the car out yet or weight pockets, he is 7. This was good for second in Pack but failed to get him to Districts.

Older brother running 3.09 made it to districts and got second in Rank at districts, but was fourth in Pack. Top 4 in each rank went on to championship race and he was 15th. I was not dissappointed in that car, my son picked the design and it had a ton of wood. He wants it to look like a car. I think our pack is pretty competitive and so is our District. The top 3 or 4 cars at districts were much faster than all the other cars. I visited another District race last weekend and cars were not nearly so fast. We are going to Mid-America and my wife wants to race these cars, but I will probably help build new ones with better products.

I know these times are slow but for what we do they are pretty competitive, and my boys do the work.

 

[Resophonic Racing]

Just looked up some last district race results

42' besttrack
newbold timer
silver bullet drilled
5 inch wheel base
New Style BSA wheels
one raised wheel
no canted wheels
running straight
graphite

3.055 - 3.065 This car ran in a district race with my sons car. It was really fast for a none rail runner.

 

[MOFAST]

I have looked at the times for Mid-America, and how much difference do you think it makes running 6 lanes at a time instead of 4, or 3,2, and 1. Does the vibration make much difference in the track times?

 

[bigdaddy]

Unless you are all running on the same exact track on the same day I do not think you can compare times. This year my son tuned on a 42' best track and ran in the 2.93s and the following day on a 42' best track he ran 2.97s in a different location. That is when I found out that the quickest way to pick up that extra .01 is to place a small piece of cardboard under the rear leg of the start section...LOL...

 

[MOFAST]

That is very fast Big Daddy! Is that with graphite?

 

[rpenning1970]

I must be missing something, I feel like I have invested in both tools and knowledge and have not gained much. I have built several cars this year, I know that I have tried a couple different ideas on the cars and have not seen much difference between them. I have three cars with extended wheel bases, one with stock wheel base. All cars have a raised wheel and ride the rail. All have drilled axle holes and the rears are canted, all drilled with the block. COM on all cars range from 7/8 to 1" I used tungston weights and all but one car are planks. with the most recent being 3/8 inch thick with 1/4 weight pockets, the rest have all the weight at the rear. The one car that is not a plank is a mild wedge. Wheels are out of the box, with three cars having the wheels done with DD4H bore polishing kit and red rocket. I did the fourth car with the same but do not think I followed the directions as well. Wheels have had the step removed and I coned the inner hub, all using the Derby worx tools. I did not use the hweel saving tool, I think that is a bad idea after looking at it and trying it last year. I used DD4H graphite and really worked it in, the axles also have had the DD4H work done to them using the polish, I used the derby worx tool to make the axle straight and mushroom the head some. filed off the burs and stuff also. In the end all cars came in at 5oz. one car has run a 3.33, one a 3.38 and for the most part they all run from a 3.40 to a 3.43. When I see the times I wonder what I am doing wrong, a couple of cars were not far behind and I know they did not do what all we did, as well I see other people post about how they have cars that run right at 3.00 to 3.15, where is these other 2 tenth's that I am missing. I do not see how the track can be that much, I do not see how other people using very similar parts are so much quicker than my cars. Even the car I built last which should have been the best car based on doing a better job than the other three cars was actually slower than the others. I am really lost on this. I am not sure I want to spend the money to send a couple of cars to the next race knowing I will be the last car across the finish line every time. i want to race but I want to be close to having a chance. right now I am not sure I would ever be.

 

[Quicktimederby]

I think you said you were racing on a Freedom track? I have never raced on one but my understanding on them is that there is not as much of a slope as the best track and the transition is nowhere near that of a best track. That is why you can't compair times from track to track. You should send one or all to the next race. You may be closer than you think. At least then you will have something to go off of.

 

[rpenning1970]

Maybe I will, as far as the rules go, I guess i would run any of the cars in the street stock class.

 

[rpenning1970]

I have three legend boxes, do i put the cars in those boxes and then put those boxes in another bigger box to ship?

 

[Kinser Racing]

I must be missing something, I feel like I have invested in both tools and knowledge and have not gained much. I have built several cars this year, I know that I have tried a couple different ideas on the cars and have not seen much difference between them. I have three cars with extended wheel bases, one with stock wheel base. All cars have a raised wheel and ride the rail. All have drilled axle holes and the rears are canted, all drilled with the block. COM on all cars range from 7/8 to 1" I used tungsten weights and all but one car are planks. with the most recent being 3/8 inch thick with 1/4 weight pockets, the rest have all the weight at the rear. The one car that is not a plank is a mild wedge. Wheels are out of the box, with three cars having the wheels done with DD4H bore polishing kit and red rocket. I did the fourth car with the same but do not think I followed the directions as well. Wheels have had the step removed and I coned the inner hub, all using the Derby worx tools. I did not use the wheel saving tool, I think that is a bad idea after looking at it and trying it last year. I used DD4H graphite and really worked it in, the axles also have had the DD4H work done to them using the polish, I used the derby worx tool to make the axle straight and mushroom the head some. filed off the burs and stuff also. In the end all cars came in at 5oz. one car has run a 3.33, one a 3.38 and for the most part they all run from a 3.40 to a 3.43. When I see the times I wonder what I am doing wrong, a couple of cars were not far behind and I know they did not do what all we did, as well I see other people post about how they have cars that run right at 3.00 to 3.15, where is these other 2 tenth's that I am missing. I do not see how the track can be that much, I do not see how other people using very similar parts are so much quicker than my cars. Even the car I built last which should have been the best car based on doing a better job than the other three cars was actually slower than the others. I am really lost on this. I am not sure I want to spend the money to send a couple of cars to the next race knowing I will be the last car across the finish line every time. i want to race but I want to be close to having a chance. right now I am not sure I would ever be.

You gotta give it a try! Tracks can make a huge difference. This may sound harsh but it's not meant too! Some people are better at tuning than others. Tuning a car is a huge part of it IMHO. When I first started I couldn't even tune my car to sub 3.0, ask Mr. Chips he was there. Then after the race someone who knew how to tune, tuned my car to sub 3.0. Honestly it was about 2-3 tenths faster than I could get it. After that I decided to pay a lot of attention to what people were doing. This forum has all the info you need you just have to put the puzzle together. You can do it! And get rid of that Derby Worx crap, you'll most likely build a faster car without it.

I don't even own a track and helped my nephew build a car, we tuned it on my coffee table and he spanked his pack. They even ran the cars backward at one point and he won that race too. You can do it, just keep trying! Winners never quit! They might go on hiatus though. lol

 

[Kinser Racing]

I have three legend boxes, do i put the cars in those boxes and then put those boxes in another bigger box to ship?

Yes! With 2" of padding all around them.

 

[Resophonic Racing]

I have three legend boxes, do i put the cars in those boxes and then put those boxes in another bigger box to ship?

http://forums.derbydad4hire.com/post/Shipping-Box-Idea-5769969

 

[ljo]

I call major bs on a 2.93 time on a 42' track on stock parts.

 

[Kinser Racing]

I call major bs on a 2.93 time on a 42' track on stock parts.

Track set up can make that much of a difference.

 

[Quicktimederby]

+1 track set can make a huge difference.

I call major bs on a 2.93 time on a 42' track on stock parts.

Track set up can make that much of a difference.