First Post and Mid America questions

[GravityX]

With the given small sampling of times, it appears the white lane was the fastest lane and this is where the 2.91xx was run.

That fastest run in Adult was VERY suspect- faster than all the oil runs. BUT the average of his first 6 were not fast enough to get into the finals. Note the very high Std. Dev. so he might not have been disqualified at all. Times shown with top 3 finals in Adult.

 

[Quicktimederby]

I heard that the Muller Mobile fell out of the stop section after the first run. If that was the case easy to understand the BIG differential.

 

[txchemist]

WOW!, that could have messed up the alignment and sent him with the pin rubbing all the other runs.
I had a list of all the neat things he looked like he was doing and I did not send it out when I saw the times, but if he had a reasonable std. Dev. his "graphite" would have beaten all the "oil" cars in scouts open.

So here is the list
1. light wheels run reversed, not new but a "pro" move.
2. fenders with about 3 modifications different from typical, one I would say was original. this is VERY pro.
3. Without some conversion to the DD4H track, I can not say if his speed would have been tops for a street pro which would infer a super graphite process if it was graphite.
What do others think?

 

[5KidsRacing]

I heard that the Muller Mobile fell out of the stop section after the first run. If that was the case easy to understand the BIG differential.

Man that sucks, it is a fast car.... He better get that Mueller mobile ready for the big dance in June!

 

[Ickabod]

That fastest run in Adult was VERY suspect- faster than all the oil runs. BUT the average of his first 6 were not fast enough to get into the finals.

Actually, his 5 fastest times averaged was 2.9660. Which puts him in 6th place going into the finals.

I talked with Greg today and he said that the car was not DQ'd and he did not know why the car was pulled for the finals. The owner was there at the race, so he may have pulled it voluntarily.

I wish I had video of that fast run, but none of my family's cars were racing in that heat, so I didn't record it.

 

[Knotty Racing]

Jim,

Thanks for the info - greatly appreciated.

txchemist - love the data. Is it even possible for a graphite car to run that fast? If that was the case, could there have been a misunderstanding on the lubrication rules and perhaps after a first run on oil, he needed to graphite after the "BTTF-2166" run in order to continue in the adult graphite class?

Does Mr. Moeller hang out here? I would love to hear the story on that car and the oil/fender question on his sons car.

txchemist, maybe your chart has answered one of the fundamental questions I was after with this post.

It appears from your chart that there is a brick wall for graphite around 2.95/2.96 which I think the best grahite run of the day was at 2.947 Beth Dawes run.

I am just trying to wrap my mind around what the capabilities of graphite and oil are along with fenders.

 

[Mr Chips Racing]

So here is what I know of the 3 on one side wonder. It was smokin' fast. It crushed everyone on its first run. Had MA had a track that had a decent stop section I think it would have clinched the title. I looked at it closely. It had graphite all over it so it must have been a graphite car. Rookie, Pro, who knows could this be the mischevious Mr. Butterhole who claimed he was live but did not meet anyone? We may never know. What I do know is nobody could have caught it had it not been destroyed by flying off the track. I believe there were several others as well which had an early date with death in that finish line. The wheel was pinned against the rear fender so the rest of the runs were with 2 wheels running and 1 broken and pressed into the fender.

I know that my own personal car bounced off of the pro track after the race was done. Unfortunately the tracks were not NPWDRL condition.

Mr. Butterhole was this you? I say not a chance! There is some clever racing that goes on in leagues and I predict that was a car entered by a NPWDRL racer to prove a point.... We are the fastest league in the world and nobody else can compete. If I am wrong, I will eat my words but if this car has been in your posession be proud and post pics. We all want to see the train car.

Chips

 

[DerbyDad4Hire]

Are you guys saying a pro raced in the adult class???

I can confirm the car was using graphite and even with the bad wheel it would have easily won if it would have had a quick fix after the wreck. I saw it run a 2.940 on my track a few days ago with the bad wheel.

 

[txchemist]

Some might say "Sporty" should have been running in pro, but he ran in adult.
A 2.940 with 4 wheels is still a great Street Pro car.
Did a pro run in adult? Some are pro and just don't know it yet. But I think a pro who knew he was making a point to show a new graphite process so he could claim the track record against the best graphite cars just might have been in the race. Who would do such a thing? I have no clue!

 

[txchemist]

From knotthed
I would love to hear the story on that car and the oil/fender question on his sons car.

What was the question on the scout car? - he came in second
5 Kids- did you see anything strange?.

 

[Knotty Racing]

Was the scout car running oil or graphite? Did the scout car have fenders? Those were my original questions on all of the sub 3 cars. The proxy racers are ray charles at this point, only knowing the times. Couldn't see the cars race and no pics yet so we are basically blind to the happenings of the ma race, thus my questions.

 

[5KidsRacing]

5 Kids- did you see anything strange?.

I didn't see anything strange during the race, but I saw Mueller's car in the lineup and it looked very nice. I was chasing kids when it made its first run so I didn't see the accident, but John told me that it took a spill out of the stop section and that a wheel got jacked. As good as Mr. Mueller is that was just a warm-up anyway.... the real test comes in June.

 

[xanthrum]

Hang tight everybody - there is going to be pictures... videos... and lots of information up on the site. It just takes time and I can only do 3am so many nights in a row... Number one objective was to get all 120 (approx) Proxy Cars packaged - Prizes & Trophies - Out - which - Thankfully has now been successfully accomplished - Whew - I have to DELEGATE a lot more of this... So good news all cars - prizes & trophies are enroute.

I have about 600 photos that I have to organize and get up on the website... Next Project.

Also Just to be Very Clear - The Mid America - Will have an entirely different lift / leveling system for 2014 - along with a completely re-designed stop section / stop box.

Truly
Greg

 

[5KidsRacing]

To give everybody a little perspective on the "Pro" times compared to the scout/kid/adult times.... On that day, at that venue, on those tracks, the run of 2.914 by Mr. Mueller would have been behind QuickTime's winning Street pro car by .020 second. That shows you how fast Quicktime and the others at the NPWDRL actually are...

 

[DerbyDad4Hire]

Yep, the "pro track" was definitely running slower times so they can't be exactly compared. The Mueller car would be about .02 or a little less slower than the QT car. That is a pretty cool car.

To give everybody a little perspective on the "Pro" times compared to the scout/kid/adult times.... On that day, at that venue, on those tracks, the run of 2.914 by Mr. Mueller would have been behind QuickTime's winning Street pro car by .020 second. That shows you how fast Quicktime and the others at the NPWDRL actually are...

 

[jzarvey]

Here's a suggestion for next year... Why not run the top Pro Stock, Open Adult and Open Scout cars against each other in an "Exhibition" race? It would give people an idea how the three sets of rules compare and may show get some kids interested in Proxy League Racing.

Also, is there going to be video of the pro races posted anywhere? We were watching the scout racing and did not know there was a video feed of the Pro action. I finished second to last in Bearing and Modified and am curious how what the car did since I don't have a track at home to test on. (planning to run NPWDRL in the next season...been running in the "other league" but just not happy there)

Jim

 

[jzarvey]

Double post....sorry

 

[Minions Racing]

If it's not a secret, I'm a little curious how Gregg adjusted his car to go from 11th in the prelims to 1st in the finals.

 

[xanthrum]

Interesting question... and I am still trying to figure that one out myself... I put graphite back in the car - same as I did for Beth... and Beth's car would have killed mine (except when it fell off the track the fenders fell off.. as I just epoxy them on) and it slowed down (still got 2nd) - but the best that I can figure on my car is that it is a Full Fender Car "Nelly Faye Style Car" and the slower cars in the prelim must have slowed it down and then in the finals running with all very fast cars it kept the car running very consistent and fast. The biggest lesson that I learned is how important AreoDynamics is - and how important fenders are in a car going from Fast to Super Fast - it does matter who you are racing next to - it is amazing how that can impact ones times.

 

[txchemist]

I was not there, but looking at the data, I do not think the car was adjusted at all. The track contained a degree of variability that made it all a lot of luck. The white lane in general was where most cars had their fastest run, and the blue lane usually had the slowest run. Greg had a very slow run in the blue lane in the prelims . He had reasonable times in the other lanes. In the finals, he had about the same speed on the other lanes, but got a very good run in white and had a very good run in the blue. So it looks more like luck than an adjustment. Some of the other cars had a good first run in blue, but a terrible run in blue in the finals. We would need to do the lane to lane variation and averages to do a thorough evaluation, but from just looking at some examples, most cars could NOT get tuned to every lane and could not even run consistent in the same lane unless they were tuned so much they lost some speed.