Is dry teflon compatible with graphite?

[Pack76oldtown]

I was wondering if 100% dry teflon is compatible with graphite. Trying to stretch the dry lubricant rule for our dry lubricant inly race.
If the judges add graphite will it “gum up” the dry teflon? Or am I better off using pledge?
Thanks in advance for any feedback.

 

[TRE]

I wouldnt use that crap..

 

[HurriCrane Racing]

Nope, not even close.

 

[Pack76oldtown]

Nope, not even close.

Could you please be more specific.

 

[Castoro Racing]

Could you please be more specific.

Don't use the teflon powder. Spray your axles with pledge and use graphite.

 

[ironband]

Could you please be more specific.

What he means is that in testing graphite vs teflon powder, graphite always yields better times. Teflon powder for whatever reason just doesn't perform as well as graphite. Mixing them is only going to compromise the performance of the graphite.

Note that pledge is helpful on the axles due to its silicone content when used in concert with graphite burnishing in the wheel bore. It isn't an either/or, but a both/and.

 

[txchemist]

or are you thinking about or

 

[Wolfram Racing]

My experience mirrors Crane and TRE...Teflon is slower. As to why...well, I can't say for sure, but my suspicion is that it is softer, an excellent insulator and very high in the tribolelectric series.

 

[Pack76oldtown]

or are you thinking about or

Yes, exactly. Sounds like I should stiowith pledge.

 

[txchemist]

Are you saying you can not beat graphite with this on the axle ans a good wax/ polymer in the bore?

 

[Pack76oldtown]

Are you saying you can not beat graphite with this on the axle ans a good wax/ polymer in the bore?

Sounds like thatbis what others are saying. I think the race judges put a little graphite on the axels at inspection to gum up anybody tryi g to cheat with oil. Dry lube only (graphite)

 

[Wolfram Racing]

TX...Tried this , Blaster Dry Lube with Teflon and WD-40 specialist...didn't get any to run faster than my Pledge/Graphite car. Doesn't mean it can't be, just that I didn't when I tried. Any secret technique to it? Always willing to try again if I find I did something wrong.

 

[txchemist]

I think part of the problem is the graphite from a Pro is WAY faster than the typical graphite process in a Scout race- I am looking at a Scout wanting to sub a dry Teflon film for the graphite and being able to beat the typical Scout graphite.

 

[Wolfram Racing]

I'd be concerned with a witnessed reprep request. If you smoke the field or catch a diligent judge at check in, they'll look for graphite around the wheels. If they don't see it, they may suspect oil (or that you forgot) and ask you to witness a reapplication of graphite. You could refuse, but then they will disqualify you. With Pledge/Graphite there isn't a risk of reapplying more graphite. With Teflon, IDK how well they mix if you would teflon prior to the race and then apply graphite for a witness test.

 

[txchemist]

If they say graphite only- no discussion- if they say DRY LUBE only, like graphite or Teflon powder- Then you can say I have dry Teflon- so give me the Teflon powder for the witness test- Oh, no powder- not my problem but unfair to junk it with graphite., or bring a tube of the teflon powder and puff away- no powder will make it into the bore.

 

[Pinewood Outlaw]

Wow never heard of judges forcing someone to add graphite before. I'd be asking a bunch of people if they like this ruling and if not get a mob of people to show up for next years planning meeting to address the rules.....but that's just me.

 

[Wolfram Racing]

Wow never heard of judges forcing someone to add graphite before. I'd be asking a bunch of people if they like this ruling and if not get a mob of people to show up for next years planning meeting to address the rules.....but that's just me.

Unfortunately, in scout racing around here, there isn't a lot of consistency. Rules are different from district to district. How they enforce them is different too. Our particular location is very sensitive to it because of an incident between parents that made the news years and years ago when we used to run a council level race. Resulted in cancellation of the council level race, so now all we do is pack and then district...that's it. So the judges here are not very organized around the region...some will let almost anything past and others will do things like this to try to enforce the rules. IMO, it's the rules that are the problem. If you try to limit people by rule, then you have to have a method to enforce it at check in...I wasn't there for "the incident", but I'll bet apples to oranges it had something to do with one party suspecting a rule violation, the other party denying it and we can all guess how that ends up on the local news.

 

[Jimmy & his 2 Kids]

Just the fact that the ruling authority thinks it’s ok to grab a Scouts hard work and pour graphite in it either for proof or spite is ridiculous. If you don’t have a trust level to a certain degree you need to hand the reigns over to SOMEONE ELSE. If my kids car is TAMPERED with by a judge who knows not what he is doing or how he may have a negative affect on their car we’re racing elsewhere.
I’m sorry but what I just read is seriously wrong. Just my opinion though.
Jimmy

Ps... sorry for the strong comment... that one just struck a nerve.

 

[Wolfram Racing]

It's all good jimmy. . I would be upset if a judge made any changes to my sons carwithout asking too. I've personally never seen that happen, where they do it without asking first (There's always the kids who forget and they give him one last chance, give him some graphite and help him apply it )...but I have seen a judge at check in looking very carefully at wheels for signs of graphite and then ask the scout to reapply under witness...almost like someone tipped him off that the kid was using oil in a "dry lube only" race. Normally the kids are dumping it in the wheels like they're trying to bury the car. Authority is authority, how it's exercised is a different matter.
We had this happen to us once, but not by request. We just happen to have a judge watch over us during a pre-finals re-prep period. He basically sat down in front of us and watched us put graphite in the wheel wells. Once we were done with all 4 he got up and walked back to the judges table. ?? We were the only ones he seemed interested in.