RED ROCKET
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The bottle I used was from last year. I bought it and then never got around to testing it beyond my "slide" and "bead" tests. It's one of the slickest polishes out there. It has an average "bead". I don't think it has silicone in it, but I might be wrong. The silicone polishes are usually slick and have excellent "beads".
I wax the work top area and then drop a small drop of John's oil onto the waxed surface. I watch what the oil does. Does it spread out quickly or does it bead up like rain drops on a waxed car. Smear and polish jig a loo onto the work area and then add a drop of oil. That bead with Jig and is what you are looking for. Silicone has the best bead. It does not spread out at all. You need to shoot for something close to that.
On the "slick" test for friction I just wax a 12 inch piece of plexi-glass and then prop one end up. I then slide a wheel down the waxed plexiglass. It gives crude results but I think they're fairly accurate. You can spot a slick wax quickly without going through the work of a time trial. The slow waxes stick out like a sore thumb. Like I said RED ROCKET is very slick.
Pony express, when you tested RR vs. Legend, was this the New Age Legend/PTFE in the bottle or the Legend in the can?
My slickness test is slightly different.
I use two wheels from the same batch unprepped because the difference in prep could skew the results. I then coat them with two different waxes, let it cure for a day, and put one wheel on each end of a fresh Tamiya swab. This tests the slickness under a certain amount of pressure.
Without pressure, I think carnauba wax would typically win. However, carnauba doesn't bond to the surface in the same way the synthetic waxes do.
I spin them and feel the difference between the two. I did this test a couple days ago and found one faster than to be noticeably more slick than the one I had been using. What I had been using was more slick than Red Rocket. Whether that translates into speed remains to be seen.
I use two wheels from the same batch unprepped because the difference in prep could skew the results. I then coat them with two different waxes, let it cure for a day, and put one wheel on each end of a fresh Tamiya swab. This tests the slickness under a certain amount of pressure.
Without pressure, I think carnauba wax would typically win. However, carnauba doesn't bond to the surface in the same way the synthetic waxes do.
I spin them and feel the difference between the two. I did this test a couple days ago and found one faster than to be noticeably more slick than the one I had been using. What I had been using was more slick than Red Rocket. Whether that translates into speed remains to be seen.
The tests of Red Rocket and Legend were awhile back. The Legend was in the bottle. It is still a good base for RR and other waxes-sealants.
The old slide board test is outdated now. I've come to realize adding oil to the board test changes everything. You can get a rough idea of how slick things are by applying Jig to a clean table top then buffing it down so there isn't much left. Then add a drop of oil to the surface and run your finger tip through the oil. It is very slick. You can do the same for a board test. I have gone to that system screening new preps. The silicone preps seem to give the slickest results. Some of the ski waxes are excellent. I've tested everything from dial soap to candle wax. It's a lot of work. I hear there's a new oil out there that is extremely fast, but I have no experience with it. I wish I did. It sounds fast.
The old slide board test is outdated now. I've come to realize adding oil to the board test changes everything. You can get a rough idea of how slick things are by applying Jig to a clean table top then buffing it down so there isn't much left. Then add a drop of oil to the surface and run your finger tip through the oil. It is very slick. You can do the same for a board test. I have gone to that system screening new preps. The silicone preps seem to give the slickest results. Some of the ski waxes are excellent. I've tested everything from dial soap to candle wax. It's a lot of work. I hear there's a new oil out there that is extremely fast, but I have no experience with it. I wish I did. It sounds fast.
From watching the last Eliminator race, if the new oil isn't done properly it looks like it slows down or the krytox speeds up.
Same thing on the Street Stock, if their where more runs Hurricrane might have won.
Basx ,that looked like the proper application of the new oil.
All this is just assumptions, we all know where that gets us.
Same thing on the Street Stock, if their where more runs Hurricrane might have won.
Basx ,that looked like the proper application of the new oil.
All this is just assumptions, we all know where that gets us.
that's the way I understand it as well, that it can be faster or slower depending on your application process. if you watched the video, Dale takes some very special precautions about storing the oil. i'm not sure how these same precautions apply to proxy racing as opposed to oiling a car hours before the race itself.
but, i think i have a bit more to learn before considering switching to new $65 oil. i still get beat up on pretty good by guys running DD4h / krytox oil.
but, i think i have a bit more to learn before considering switching to new $65 oil. i still get beat up on pretty good by guys running DD4h / krytox oil.
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