Running on the Second Step

I have tried hundreds of experiments with the pure stock wheels; ie right out of the box. The best results employ a polishing bob to slightly change the surface of the step and still be legal for my grandsons races. Most BS races these days don't allow significant alteration of the hubs. I file the heads of the BS axles down to a slightly smaller diameter so it doesn't touch the out side wall. The polishing bob must fit down into the step and touch just the first step. I use lapping compound as sanding material to slightly cone the step. The best I can get though is 5 micro seconds within the wheels with the step removed on a lathe. I suspect that a very good lubrication to the step could get you close, but never reach the step removal wheels.
 
Using BSA axles also? I have been debating on doing a SS with box stock wheels, only a oil prep. Using the dynasty 92's though. I was hoping to see if I could get it around .020-.025 of the machined wheel. I may be way off base though it has been a long time since I use the stuff out of the box.
 
I used the 91 axels and oil. The step removal is hard to beat, because any new lubrication technique on box wheels would also help the stepless wheels. The theory would be that the amount of contact on the step be reduced by slight coning of the step. I could always beat the stock wheels, but not the stepless wheels.
 
I am asking for a new NPWDRL member who has some pretty stiff rules for his Grandson. I don’t often get stumped about this stuff, but I have never tried running BSA wheels without removing the step. He has to use only OD trued BSA wheels and BSA axles. I suppose he could use BSA replicas, but they would still be .089 diameter. I had suggested BASX’s and Johns MV BSA speed axles. He is worried that removing the step may be illegal, but he doesn’t know and I really didn’t know what kind of speed he was losing.

It sounds by what Pony Express is saying is that you would definitely lose some speed there, which I suspected. I didn’t know if anybody had done a test on the same car and same axles.
 
Prepare two sets of wheels, and take both sets.

A year ago, I bought a dozen sets of BSA wheels. When I looked at the bore with a Mag glass, Only 1 of 5 were decent. When I used balance tool, none were anywhere near in balance.

Have him balance, normal prep of bores and axles, and he will still walk away with first, even with BSA wheels and nails.
 
All the Scout races in our area won't let you doing any real work on the inner or outer hub or use non-BSA axles, so that's how we always raced and those I have helped since. I never did a comparison though, the rules were clear, so it didn't matter how fast another way was.

5Kids, have you seen any written rules for this Scout ? Unfortunately many Packs leave too much to interpretation, have unenforceable rules, etc. Is there anything written down ?? First suggestion would always be to try to find out in advance, hopefully with an email that can be their documentation. Opa's suggestion might work (mount the aggressive option, bag and carry along the conservative option), though I hate to see a Scout have to change parts during inspection - I would think it would carry a negative stigma for the Scout.

My first suggestion though for Scout races where they can't run machined wheels is to find some of the original Big Rig wheels. These were the original mold production and MUCH better than those after, especially those from last year which looked like JUNK. We had gotten some early-on BSA samples around the time they made the Big Rig wheels and they were FAR superior than what came even a year later. Most of these wheels had really good slow spin results which I believe correlated to being in good balance (and always were faster for us than those that didn't spin as well). Not many people have the little balance tool though.

I am not totally following the polishing bob discussion, because it would seem to me that this leaves more of the outside step. John's wheels and any other good ones have a concave surface so that the contact point is in the center where the least losses will occur. Whatever they do, you have to pair the nail head treatment with the wheel hub treatment.
 
Yes I have his pack/district rules, but they are vague. His PWD rules aren't up to date and they are probably written for the old style wheels. He has seen issues with removing the second step last year and doesn't want to risk it this year.

His wheel rule section says:The wheels may be sanded to remove burrs and imperfections from the surface which is in contact with the track. The width and shape of the wheel shall not be altered in any way. Only the wheels supplied in the official kit shall be used.

Like I said his rules are pretty vague so he has some freedom to buy purchased parts. He has already bought a couple pre-drilled DD blocks and will get the BASX wheels and BSA speed axles. He is a smart guy and has a good grasp of what he needs to do but he asked me how much speed would he lose not removing the second step.... and I really didn't know.

By the way this is a guy helping his Grandson because his Son is deployed in Afghanistan.... pretty cool/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif