Running reverse wheels

[speed bump]

Ok I have the spacers from john,92s and 1 gram wheels from john. The small side goes to the wheel between the wheel and body. Also is 3 degrees enough cant or did I need more cant. Our bsa rules say nothing about spacers, washers. Wanting to run them reversed this time because council race is on a 42ft best track. Rule on wheels just say no narrowing of tires, Must have bsa on the outside of tire. Any help on running reverse wheels. I would b very thankful guys. Never done this one before!!

 

[mxquad]

3 degree cant on the rears is standard, you can run the front DFW wheel the normal way with positive cant and 4" drift over 4'. Running the wheels in reverse with the negative cant uses the strongest part of the wheel that bears the weight of the car and wheel and rides down the track. The 1 gram wheels, make sure they have the lettering on the outside, if the rear wheels are reversed they might ask to see the lettering and make you take a wheel off... Double check your rules for washers or spacers as all my local district racers specify no washers.....

Good luck, have fun, and be a compassionate winner / loser

 

[Kinser Racing]

Of all the rules I've seen, I've never seen a rule set that allows washers. Be careful on that one. /images/boards/smilies/smile.gif

 

[speed bump]

Council, Boy Scouts of America

Attn!!! Please read all guidelines completely.

I. Car Specification Guidelines:

A. WIDTH-maximum 2-3/4"

B. LENGTH-7"maximum

C. WEIGHT-5 ounces (141.75 grams) maximum

D. HEIGHT-2-3/8" maximum at any point

E. CLEARANCE-3/8" minimum between lowest point on car body and flat surface underneath.

F. DESIGN-The front part of the car will not extend past the starting gate.

II. Equipment Guidelines:

A. Cars must be made from BSA Pinewood Derby kits (#17006). The use of non-BSA parts is prohibited (excluding lube, paint, decals, and weights).

B. Cars must use BSA axles and wheels. ("BSA" must be visible on outside of wheel and wheel width (part that touches the track) cannot be altered).

C. Axle holes must not be covered.

III. Race Day Information:

A. Each car will be inspected by the Registration Committee at each race and must meet the guidelines listed above in order to participate in the race.

B. The entrant must make a new car each year. Each Cub shall have his name, pack # and year clearly marked under the car.

C. Lubrication must be dry powder type such as graphite. No oil or liquid types are allowed. Mercury is a strictly forbidden weight material.

D. After registration and acceptance to race, ONLY cubs may handle their car. At no time will it be permissible for anyone else to pick up the car other than the Cub that entered it. If during a race repairs are required, the Cub Scout can do so with parental assistance (this is the only time that parents will be allowed in the race area).

E. The track shall be inspected prior to the race by the Race Committee, and will not be adjusted during the race expect as directed by the Race Chairman.

F. There will be no lubrication of cars after they are weighed in and registered, or during the race.

G. New this year, the pack does not have a limit on the number of cars that can be submitted to the district and council races.

**GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP IS EXPECTED FROM BOTH SCOUTS AND PARENTS**

Race committee members and race chairpersons are volunteers; please respect their decisions and willingness to serve in these roles. Their decisions will be considered final.

Here they r Kinser. What do u think about it?
MXquad I am always a good winner/loser. All remember its just for fun and games!

 

[resullivan]

Our rules said no washers, so I just used the sheet. I am guessing this is the same thing that the washers are made of, but I made them square instead of round.

 

[speed bump]

Our rules used to say that and a hole lot of other stuff to. Council kept changing them every year and everybody had a hard time with them. Now its has been this way for about 3 years now and it is very simple now. They still don't like the oil!!! But other than that it real easy. Just wanting to try the reversed wheels one time. Does the spacers need to move on the axle or need to b rigid to keep wheel from rubbing. Just asking a lot here guys remember never done this one before.

 

[KC Racing]

I could see them enforcing no washers under “A. Cars must be made from BSA Pinewood Derby kits (#17006). The use of non-BSA parts is prohibited (excluding lube, paint, decals, and weights).” (Washers are not included in the excluding list.)

 

[3phase]

II. Equipment Guidelines:

A. Cars must be made from BSA Pinewood Derby kits (#17006). The use of non-BSA parts is prohibited

This one to myself, someone could cry enough to make them use it to the letter.

 

[resullivan]

I think that is really a stretch interpretation of that rule. To me, the intent of that rule is to say that the BSA wheels and axles must be used (even possibly refering to the block).

 

[speed bump]

Yep it is I agree. Might just run them the other way. Our pack got first thru 5 th at district so we should b good

 

[Kinser Racing]

I could see them enforcing no washers under “A. Cars must be made from BSA Pinewood Derby kits (#17006). The use of non-BSA parts is prohibited (excluding lube, paint, decals, and weights).” (Washers are not included in the excluding list.)

Good catch KC. I think that this is where it could be a problem. Otherwise, that's a really lose rule set, and I like that. You could however content that paint isn't in the kit either. The problems will occur if you're fast (which you will be, you're here!).

 

[ChrisF]

You could however content that paint isn't in the kit either.

the rules as quoted have paint covered.

I could see them enforcing no washers under “A. Cars must be made from BSA Pinewood Derby kits (#17006). The use of non-BSA parts is prohibited (excluding lube, paint, decals, and weights).” (Washers are not included in the excluding list.)

 

[Kinser Racing]

You could however content that paint isn't in the kit either.

the rules as quoted have paint covered.

I could see them enforcing no washers under “A. Cars must be made from BSA Pinewood Derby kits (#17006). The use of non-BSA parts is prohibited (excluding lube, paint, decals, and weights).” (Washers are not included in the excluding list.)

You're right. I just was just using that as something that wasn't in the kit. It does specifically state paint though. /images/boards/smilies/smile.gif

 

[ChrisF]

You're right. I just was just using that as something that wasn't in the kit. It does specifically state paint though. /images/boards/smilies/smile.gif

I shoulda known that...no Legoman drivers though!

 

[Dr. T]

 

[ngyoung]

Could be considered a weight

 

[Guest]

How about washers and spacers made from the BSA block that are covered in Sally Hansen?

Now that we are on the subject.

What about spacers and washers made from a BSA wheel?