They were running 2.55/2.56 and we were running 2.49/2.50 at the time the re-weighing happened right before the finals.
Time and re-prep, track length?
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Also, there were no cubs involved in this event, only dads and cubmaster, there was only the cubmaster sons car and another car that was even in contention. The other car that was in there was from a competitive dad that split my kids cars last year, we got first and third last year.
I love that my kids are winning and having fun, but now I'm considered "that guy" in our pack and there seems to be a small few who don't like repeat winners. Most parents were really cool and congratulatory, were asking for advice for next year. My thoughts are that if we did the research and testing, and I know how to make a car go fast, shouldn't I help my kids make fast cars?
Are you guys dealing with this type of stuff in your packs also?
Got the idea from here to maybe do a workshop next year for those that want to come. I'm no professional, but I think I could obviously help the others. Keep a few secrets for myself though? lol I cant do anything with their wheels, but maybe just drill there blocks for them if they want and explain it? Or teach them to polish axles properly? or how to burnish? From your experience, how do you guys help a dozen scouts in an hour or two in a one evening workshop? How details do you get into? If this was at work, I would probably make a bullet list Powerpoint and present the basics...lol.
I love that my kids are winning and having fun, but now I'm considered "that guy" in our pack and there seems to be a small few who don't like repeat winners. Most parents were really cool and congratulatory, were asking for advice for next year. My thoughts are that if we did the research and testing, and I know how to make a car go fast, shouldn't I help my kids make fast cars?
Are you guys dealing with this type of stuff in your packs also?
Got the idea from here to maybe do a workshop next year for those that want to come. I'm no professional, but I think I could obviously help the others. Keep a few secrets for myself though? lol I cant do anything with their wheels, but maybe just drill there blocks for them if they want and explain it? Or teach them to polish axles properly? or how to burnish? From your experience, how do you guys help a dozen scouts in an hour or two in a one evening workshop? How details do you get into? If this was at work, I would probably make a bullet list Powerpoint and present the basics...lol.
Go to 5kids website. There is a workshop laid out. You will need to use your best judgement, talk to your committee before. Have people on board before you start. You will have at least four groups of people. First group will say don't do it. (they are afraid to get beat). A group that would somehow how constrew knowledge as "cheating". A Third group that will come and participate. And the last group to "independent" for help or just don't care - yet they will grumble when their kid doesn't do well after applying no effort.
aksnowfun said:
yes we get looked at as if we have cheated at our pack races, my son took first overall and my nephew took the 2nd place and the car i built for the open class took first in the open, we have heard people telling others there is no way he can get those cars so fast without cheating....(and this is before i found this site and was using the axel press and pro rail rider) next year there going to flip......
there isnt many cars competive at our races the other dad/sons dont put the effort into it as we do, had one ask me if i would do there wheels and axels "up" and get it running well for them....
Thx IAE, I will check out 5Kids site.
Also consider your comments and figure out what to do for next year. I have to say, the sharing attitude, help you all provide to whoever wants it on here and reading about the efforts other guys are putting in to help their packs is what made me think about doing this.
Also consider your comments and figure out what to do for next year. I have to say, the sharing attitude, help you all provide to whoever wants it on here and reading about the efforts other guys are putting in to help their packs is what made me think about doing this.
Derbychip,
Feel better knowing that others are dealing with some similar reactions to success, although, its sad that a few people have that attitude toward others success. (similar to other areas of life also) Its not the kids having the issues...guess that's where they learn it and turn into adults with the same attitudes. lol This is my second year racing after finding this place so its the first time dealing with the response to repeat wins and large margins. As you touched on, there isn't that many putting in the effort or knowledgeable racers in my pack, so when they see this, they go to the "cheating" thing.
Feel better knowing that others are dealing with some similar reactions to success, although, its sad that a few people have that attitude toward others success. (similar to other areas of life also) Its not the kids having the issues...guess that's where they learn it and turn into adults with the same attitudes. lol This is my second year racing after finding this place so its the first time dealing with the response to repeat wins and large margins. As you touched on, there isn't that many putting in the effort or knowledgeable racers in my pack, so when they see this, they go to the "cheating" thing.
It's always easier for ppl to assume you're cheating rather than researching how to make your kids car faster. Granted, it's not easy to be fast on here, but the cub scout races are easy to win with the basic knowledge on here. What's crazy is I offered to help everyone this year that wanted it. 3 ppl of 46 asked for help. The leaders were amazed at my leader car b.c the leaders could go up to 6oz and mine was only 4.9oz and smoked everyone
Yes, great example of showing that the 0.1 oz in question, on a questionable scale, is not what makes the difference (.04 s). I told the folks that asked or were interested there that it is alignment, alignment, alignment to start with, if they wanted to improve for next year.
I had to sit back on this one for a bit before I went off on a rant.
#1) You passed inspection. Period. Was there any clause in the rule book saying that winners would be reweighed? We have stuff like that in other things we do, but it's spelled out in the rules before hand, so you can come prepared.
#2) I'll go out on a limb and say that most scales used in Pinewood are strain based. Strain gage based scales are prone to "drift". If they're going to challenge an already passed car, they should be prepared to calibrate the scale in front of you with a certified check weight (or certified nickles from txchemist!). I use strain based scales for other things that I do, and there are protocols and procedures to deal with their tendency to drift, that I'd bet money that these folks aren't adhering to.
I think you probably have an idea of what you need to do next time. Stuff like weight up your car so it's 4.9x ounces and bring it up to 5.00 with putty or something else easily removed in situations like this.
Uh oh...I guess I did go on a rant anyway.
Well...so that I'm not all negative and all...I'll share a story about weight.
While we were doing a dry run for an upcoming Pack Derby, we ran one of the kids cars down the track. It was pretty consistent, then all of a sudden it was 0.02 seconds slower. It held that time for another couple of runs, then slowed down another 0.02. I was scratching my head until one of the kids found a tungsten cube at the finish line...then he found another one...Turns out the CA glue we had used to secure the tungsten was letting go, and the car was pooping tungsten cubes and losing time as it did! ...and that is why I'm not a fan of CA glue...well that and gluing myself to all manner of things around the shop.
Derbychip,
This is when you say "No, But I will show you how to do it." To real it up for them, show them with your boy holding the drill while you polish and you holding the drill while he polishes.
This is when you say "No, But I will show you how to do it." To real it up for them, show them with your boy holding the drill while you polish and you holding the drill while he polishes.
yes i told him what to do and that im not ok with doing it even offered once he got it all together to give them a hand the day of to get it rolling streight, nothing like building the competitions cars... he then had the old cub master come set it up the day of the derby,
aksnowfun said:
My thoughts
1. Pull the rear axles out 1/8 and see if they wheels roll out toward the end of the axle. (Forward and back)
Note: re-drill only if they are bad! check with a mini square and a drill bit inserted.
I'll throw my blanks out if they are off!
2. If they are off a little, you can use wax paper to shim them. (double it) Its works but for very small changes.
3. Re-prep? I asked that not too long ago and its looks like if you want to be top tier, they re-prep!
Note: I'm only a Novice
Congrats and good luck!!
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