I agree with Zeebzob. I just weighted my car to 5.09 oz on a cooking scale. Then I weighed the car on my pocket scale that reads to one decimal place. Weight was 5.1 oz. That is a DQ waiting to happen!
I guess I'm missing something. But, 5.09 doesn't equal 5.10 which is same as 5.1. If it did, my scale
would read 5.10. And on race day you aren't over till the race scales read 5.1.
In my experience, it is hard to get those little scales to read exactly the same. And that was reason for
my post in the first place. To tell laserman how it's easy to tweak the weight of your car with small pieces of tungsten. Example; at our pack race last Jan, my sons car weighed out at 5.08 on my scales. When we weighed at the race, it weighed 5.1. That is just the difference in the scales. I popped a small piece of tungsten off of the car and the race scale read 5.0. I weighed it after we got home. Then it weighed
5.06 on my scale. So we were right on the bubble.
would read 5.10. And on race day you aren't over till the race scales read 5.1.
In my experience, it is hard to get those little scales to read exactly the same. And that was reason for
my post in the first place. To tell laserman how it's easy to tweak the weight of your car with small pieces of tungsten. Example; at our pack race last Jan, my sons car weighed out at 5.08 on my scales. When we weighed at the race, it weighed 5.1. That is just the difference in the scales. I popped a small piece of tungsten off of the car and the race scale read 5.0. I weighed it after we got home. Then it weighed
5.06 on my scale. So we were right on the bubble.
What you're missing is a little thing we learned in 3rd grade called rounding.
At any rate, even at the pro level, that .09 difference is not going to amount to much if anything at all. On a scout level, forget about it.
Quicktime could could probably spot me a full ounce and would still beat me.
At any rate, even at the pro level, that .09 difference is not going to amount to much if anything at all. On a scout level, forget about it.
Quicktime could could probably spot me a full ounce and would still beat me.
OK Einstein. What I learned in 2nd grade was that rounding is done basically for convenience. The
scales I use read the absolute value of whatever is being weighed. Maybe you have some "special"
scales.
I am just trying to get any advantage I can. I feel that putting 100% into all aspects of the build
is what has gotten us three Pack and two District championships for the last three years. I'm certainly
no expert on any of this. I'm just relating some of my experiences.
scales I use read the absolute value of whatever is being weighed. Maybe you have some "special"
scales.
I am just trying to get any advantage I can. I feel that putting 100% into all aspects of the build
is what has gotten us three Pack and two District championships for the last three years. I'm certainly
no expert on any of this. I'm just relating some of my experiences.
Don't get pissy with me, you asked what you were missing.
I have 2 scales. One reads to x.x the other x.xx. I have a 5oz test weight. Both scales will read 5.0 and 5.00 respectively. If i have a car that weighs 5.07 on one, it always shows 5.1 on the other.
If it were me, I would rather be the guy whose car was finished in my shop, not the guy who has to make last minute adjustments on race day because he was a bit over.
I have 2 scales. One reads to x.x the other x.xx. I have a 5oz test weight. Both scales will read 5.0 and 5.00 respectively. If i have a car that weighs 5.07 on one, it always shows 5.1 on the other.
If it were me, I would rather be the guy whose car was finished in my shop, not the guy who has to make last minute adjustments on race day because he was a bit over.
- Nov 24, 2011
- 3,903
- 30
- 48
- 13
shovelhead, zeebzob is just trying to keep you from getting DQ'd
I understand this. That was whole reason for first post to relate how I have not gotten DQ'd
by using the tungsten pieces. I didn't appreciate the 3rd grade remark. Nobody would. Was just responding in kind. But if I was in the wrong, I apologize.
I understand this. That was whole reason for first post to relate how I have not gotten DQ'd
by using the tungsten pieces. I didn't appreciate the 3rd grade remark. Nobody would. Was just responding in kind. But if I was in the wrong, I apologize.
Well I didn't appreciate being referred to as that hack Einstein! Clearly Bohr was the genius!
Dude..no worries thats just my sense of humor. Most people think I'm a douche til they get to know me...right MXQuad? Hahahahahahahaha
Anyway...nothing matters except what the official scale says.
(You know that "Ohhhh, I know what I should have said" feeling? After your 2nd grade remark, I should have said "Oh yeah?......well in first grade I learned that you're a big doo doo head")
Hahahahahaha. I crack myself up.
Zeeb.......out
Dude..no worries thats just my sense of humor. Most people think I'm a douche til they get to know me...right MXQuad? Hahahahahahahaha
Anyway...nothing matters except what the official scale says.
(You know that "Ohhhh, I know what I should have said" feeling? After your 2nd grade remark, I should have said "Oh yeah?......well in first grade I learned that you're a big doo doo head")
Hahahahahaha. I crack myself up.
Zeeb.......out
Lol. No problem. I do tend to speak/type before I think sometimes.
Also, glad you didn't say anything about first grade. Cause kinder and nursery school is all we had left.
Have a good day, Scotty
Also, glad you didn't say anything about first grade. Cause kinder and nursery school is all we had left.
Have a good day, Scotty
laserman said:
I am pretty much with Kinser on this. But I will add this. The mental gymnastics comment is good, but there are so many areas, often less explored, where a lot of thought could make a significant breakthrough. E.g. car shape, overall weight distribution (including body hollowing), body shape, body strength, wheel placement, which can be different for different classes, oil mixture, etc. etc.
When it comes to needle tungsten, one cube between the rear axles will match anything that you might achieve messing around with the tungsten needles.
Maybe most of all, wheel bore and axle preparation. There are some procedures out there that very few people know about, that are blowing most of us away.
So IMHO, put the brain trust into what will provide the most potential rewards.
G
Guest
Guest
Hey Opa,
Yep. I have come around. The fact that my nephew's scout race got me thinking about grounding things more realistically. LOL
The last car I made with him (The model T) was designed to be built by him using stacked parts.
I overestimated his dexterity and the parts kept snapping.
This year I want us to have the fastest car.
Every time I start designing it I keep diverging into a league car though Lol.
The .375" clearance rule along with the 1.75" clearance rule are so annoying.
Strange, but I find the gymnastics somewhat comforting. The PWD is my favorite puzzle.
Reigning things in just a little has opened up all of these new avenues. I am now trying "buildable" cars. The ones I raced last time was too much 2 steps forward and 1 step back.
You are right on the resource management of brain power. Gymnastics are fun but in the end they are just incomplete theories which have little to do with reality.
But don't be too surprised if you see me posting "far out ideas" questions again.
Lol
Many thanks to Kinser and Ted for the gentle nudges in the classic direction.
Yep. I have come around. The fact that my nephew's scout race got me thinking about grounding things more realistically. LOL
The last car I made with him (The model T) was designed to be built by him using stacked parts.
I overestimated his dexterity and the parts kept snapping.
This year I want us to have the fastest car.
Every time I start designing it I keep diverging into a league car though Lol.
The .375" clearance rule along with the 1.75" clearance rule are so annoying.
Strange, but I find the gymnastics somewhat comforting. The PWD is my favorite puzzle.
Reigning things in just a little has opened up all of these new avenues. I am now trying "buildable" cars. The ones I raced last time was too much 2 steps forward and 1 step back.
You are right on the resource management of brain power. Gymnastics are fun but in the end they are just incomplete theories which have little to do with reality.
But don't be too surprised if you see me posting "far out ideas" questions again.
Lol
Many thanks to Kinser and Ted for the gentle nudges in the classic direction.
Similar threads
