Wheel Longevity

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Here’s an interesting question I could not find an answer searching this forum.

In prep the cars for this month’s race, I noticed I was getting slower and slower, to a point where I became almost 3 100ths off of where I was. I got body down to a science such that I can drill one and run .45 to .5 oz on the FDW with only 2 to 2.5" in of steer, and if weighted right for that particular car, can run with absolutely no wiggle at all. Very stable - the best I have ever done. Yet I'm getting slower. Needless to say, running at that speed, I might not even win a cub race, and so, I did not send any cars in and decided to continue prepping for the next race. I guess I have a jump on you all.

With a little help, I started to diagnose the problem and came to the conclusion that the wheels are the culprit. On the cars I was going to send in, they all had wheels that were raced twice before. This would have been the 3[sup]rd[/sup] race. As I saw myself getting slower, I would remove the wheels and axles, re-prep, reinstall, and retest. I’m sure I did this 4 or 5 times, maybe more (some long nights)

A re-prep would consist of washing the wheels in alcohol, blow dry, wax the bore and wait, and a pipe cleaner buff at medium speed. I would also lightly dress up the inner hub and edge, but do almost nothing to the outer hub other than wax, wait, and buff. When I just checked the wheels, the bores were at .097 to .0975, and honestly, I cannot tell how true they are, or how true the inner and outer hubs are either. I do buy most of my wheels from John, so I do not have the luxury of find wheels with a .096 bore, and I never did record what the bore size was when I first raced them. I just prep them and race them, and I did do reasonably well when I first put them on.

So my question is: did I reach the life expectancy of these wheels? I do have new ones and will prep them as new tonight to find my own answer, but I was curious as to what others thought. When tracking the speed of my different cars (and that’s many more than what I send in), I never tracked the number of re-preps or the number of races on them, the initial or current bore size, but that could be something I should be doing in the future. I just hate sticking things in a prepped wheel bore.
 
Dirty and pitted wheels are a time killer!!! That being said my cars usually are always fastest on a new set of wheels. Unfortunately I'm to lazy to cut a new set for every race. As I have posted before when I reprep I do not use alcohol, I do not want to strip the wax out of the bore. Some people use Dawn dish soap, I use car wash soap with no waxes. Then I reapply some Red Rocket and finish my prep. Also after I buff out the RR I wash the wheel with water and a clean fluffy, seems to remove some of the static the wax leaves behind. The speed drop off isn't much when done correctly. Last race My old SS Yellow Belly was on 4 or 5 race old wheels, and was still running fairly well.
 
I'm sure these wheels had well over 100 35' round trips (literally) - 3/4 of a mile (huh). It make take me up to 15 to 20 runs to get the weight where I like it and then another few just to fine tune the steer. As I learn more how to weight a car from the past few races, I could easily see the wheels having well over 50 runs before I started to prep for this race. As things got worse, I re-prepped and re-prepped some more.

If anything, I got a tip from QT, or in this case, beaten over the head with it. I saw his suggestion before; I should have paid closer attention.
 
That sounds like good advice !! I will give the "Dawn" to the wife and try it you way. Thanks!!! We also have to adjust out the steer on the cars ---added 1 1/2" to the cars and it was like putting on the brakes. I did not even reprep the front tire just the steer and went from 14th to 30 something --like that. Remember test one thing at a time and only one thing and keep good notes. Good DATA leads to Good Speed . See you in 3 weeks.

Jim & Andrew
 
I seem to have had a combination of problems. One being the re-prep of the bores and the second being the condition of the wheels. When I purchased my track, I was so elated, I just set it up, leveled it, and began testing. I never really did much prep to the tracl itself. That certainly was a mistake. Last night, I spent several hours dressing each end of each section of track. For re-prep, I'll certainly try the dawn method, as well as repreping the wheels as if they were new to see what gives me better results; but based on QT's response, I already have my answer.
 
When you say don't re polish.. You are saying don't use a Q-tip again right Kinser? Just so the Newbie know. He is right dawn will be clean the wax out.. But I'm not sure it's will remove all. I think what he's sayin is once you polish the wheel bores once never do it again. .. Unless u just have to. I only do it one time.. And use a pipe cleaner if I need to clean them up again.
 
You are both correct, at least from my standpoint. I personally do not want to continuously use the Q-Tip re-polish method everytime I re-prep a wheel. I have tried it already and eventually have either increased the wheel bore size or just simply affected the trueness of it. Not entirely sure which, but probably a bit of both. In this specific case and as a last ditch effort, I have already repolished these wheels with a Q-Tip and was able to gain some of the lost speed back. I doubt I will ever use them again to race with, but there is definitely a use for them. Before I ever consider wheels to be trash, I will, in the future, try to use the Q-Tip re-polish method if Dawn Dish Soap just doesn't appear to be working. I would guess there is only so many times a wheels can be re-used, but from listening to what John said, if you find ways to take care of them, they should last a while. I might solicite for other ideas before the Q-Tip before doing it, but at least for now, it seems on the outside to be a good plan.

Aside from all of you here posting in this thread, I have to personally thank TRE and Ice who personally helped diagnose my problem. I was very frustrating, to say the least.

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You know, I can not believe how long my wheels are lasting. And I can only believe its from two things.

1. After the 10th time setting up my track, I've sanded the joints so many times It must be finally right on. (don't forget the very end before the stop section! that got me before!)

2. Before I test (or every 4 hrs, In basement and carpet) I will clean my track with Pledge wipes. I'm sure it depends on your location and dust in the air. For a garage, I'd wipe it down every hour!

Note: I usually only use the 1st lane, but when I started wiping the one next to it and the Centers of each of the two, the wheels are lasting even longer!

Note2: Wipe down your primary lane last.
 
~JBD RACING~ said:
When you say don't re polish.. You are saying don't use a Q-tip again right Kinser? Just so the Newbie know. He is right dawn will be clean the wax out.. But I'm not sure it's will remove all. I think what he's sayin is once you polish the wheel bores once never do it again. .. Unless u just have to. I only do it one time.. And use a pipe cleaner if I need to clean them up again.

That's what I do too if I *really* want to be sure to get all the old wax out. I polish the bore with a pipe cleaner (not qtip stem) and bore polish. Its worked well for me.
 
Kinser Racing said:
Dawn will strip them clean of all the wax.....
*sigh* Looks like we won our race this year waxless. in a last minute effort to finalize the car, I re-prep'd by washing with dawn to make sure no debris from the rework was interfering. Did not re-wax, nor had time too. Can't help but wonder how much time we lost due to this. Really wish I had a timer on my track just to compare.