Can you buy in bulk without becoming a distributer? Who sells in bulk? Also where do you get the longer nails for the semi truck kits?
Where to buy BSA derby wheels and axles in bulk?
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Buying bulk has been a mystery. I don't think DD4H, jewkes, Evo none of those guys can't buy them direct. Maybe can buy bulk through your local scout shop?? good luck.
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You don't want their wheels! Made in China wheels are not very good in my experience and opinion.
MaxVelocity (Randy) sells bulk wheels of good quality. However, they are not BSA, rather his own brand. I bought a bunch for a Family Reunion PWDshootout for the family. We were satisfied. I think they weigh 2.4 grams, so they are BSA equivalent.
Revell has some made on the US mold that are fine, you can see made in the U.S.A on the wheel, BUT more and more crap from China is being shipped in and displacing the good wheels. Some hobby stores can not guarantee USA wheels anymore. I urge a general rule change that says "wheels must say Made in the U.S.A" and inform the Scout shops your Packs will not support the lower quality junk. I also urge you to make a point of teaching as many as will listen that you can not make a great car with the junk in the kit.Quicktimederby said:
awhile ago i actually call the BSA headquarters in TX. I complained about the Boy Scouts of AMERICA getting flooded with CHINA wheels. they acted all surprised by it. They said they would look into it.
I guess the profit margin is better for them with the China wheels........
I guess the profit margin is better for them with the China wheels........
Okay, just how bad are the china wheels? If the distributor can not guarantee USA wheels what are the kids up against in prepping the wheels?
I don't know if they are, but one supplier I have talked to said that the ones he gets are imprinted china and are BSA approved. Whatever that means.
This is a repeat post on some simple tests done with the Chinese stuff form Revell.
First, if anyone else bought any Revell kits for the Cubs, check the mold numbers on the wheels. I have been very lucky and three different kits all had wheels off of mold #4, how probable is that unless all molds are marked #4? The Chinese molds are NOT like the U.S. molds. The wheels I measured all weighed 2.9 grams- not too good. They also have a very shinny surface on the tread instead of a mat finish. I can not measure run out, but the bores looked uglier and the wheel appeared to be sloppier on the axle.
So I started testing by just slapping everything together out of the box, no added weights, no lubrication. This is the way about 80% of all Cub cars get made- except I could not push the stupid nail into the slot, and so I drilled 4 holes with the block but not canted to simply test the overall product. The Gran Prix only weighs 1.93 Oz ( not enough weights in the kit to bring car up to 5 oz, and you can not get a good COG with what they supply).
but it is 7 " long. The "Military Vehicle" is only 5.5 inches long and weighs 3.18 Oz.. I raced them with some other cars on a 35 ft. besttrack a number of times. Then I tried to take the Chinese nails out and put USA nails and USA wheels on for a test to see what 2.6 gram wheels off a good mold would do. I do not think that wood is pine, and I had to use needle nose pliers and pull very hard to remove them and then run with USA parts to replace them. Again- no prep at all, just as is. . The CG is 1 7/8" in front of the back axle for the Gran Prix, and a whopping 2" in front of the back axle of the Humvee (The blazing speed of the Humvee is helped by running it backwards, less air friction on a light body, run forwards, it is slower than the GP).
Here are the results. Yes, they are very slow.
The amazing difference was the Chinese axle had less flash and no crimp-marks, so even though the wheel is worse, the total car is faster than US BSA nails without prep. on the same car NOTE: the wood was so crappy, axle bent a little and car was "crabbing" down the track for US nails and wheels test.. But that happens to many kids trying to make a car.
These times are on a 35 ft track.
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http://www.pddr.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=userrecentposts&user=txchemist#ixzz1hjuHM6lY
First, if anyone else bought any Revell kits for the Cubs, check the mold numbers on the wheels. I have been very lucky and three different kits all had wheels off of mold #4, how probable is that unless all molds are marked #4? The Chinese molds are NOT like the U.S. molds. The wheels I measured all weighed 2.9 grams- not too good. They also have a very shinny surface on the tread instead of a mat finish. I can not measure run out, but the bores looked uglier and the wheel appeared to be sloppier on the axle.
So I started testing by just slapping everything together out of the box, no added weights, no lubrication. This is the way about 80% of all Cub cars get made- except I could not push the stupid nail into the slot, and so I drilled 4 holes with the block but not canted to simply test the overall product. The Gran Prix only weighs 1.93 Oz ( not enough weights in the kit to bring car up to 5 oz, and you can not get a good COG with what they supply).
but it is 7 " long. The "Military Vehicle" is only 5.5 inches long and weighs 3.18 Oz.. I raced them with some other cars on a 35 ft. besttrack a number of times. Then I tried to take the Chinese nails out and put USA nails and USA wheels on for a test to see what 2.6 gram wheels off a good mold would do. I do not think that wood is pine, and I had to use needle nose pliers and pull very hard to remove them and then run with USA parts to replace them. Again- no prep at all, just as is. . The CG is 1 7/8" in front of the back axle for the Gran Prix, and a whopping 2" in front of the back axle of the Humvee (The blazing speed of the Humvee is helped by running it backwards, less air friction on a light body, run forwards, it is slower than the GP).
Here are the results. Yes, they are very slow.
The amazing difference was the Chinese axle had less flash and no crimp-marks, so even though the wheel is worse, the total car is faster than US BSA nails without prep. on the same car NOTE: the wood was so crappy, axle bent a little and car was "crabbing" down the track for US nails and wheels test.. But that happens to many kids trying to make a car.
These times are on a 35 ft track.
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http://www.pddr.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=userrecentposts&user=txchemist#ixzz1hjuHM6lY
I bent the Chinese axles really bad getting them out, but the US wheel at 2.6 and lower Inertia will be a bit faster, and I hate to think of what the wheels off that mold look like in the years to come.
I am using all these problems to get all our rules changed to allow any axle ( because Revell axles are made different- any axle 0.084 min is OK) and the wheel has to say Made in the USA.
I am using all these problems to get all our rules changed to allow any axle ( because Revell axles are made different- any axle 0.084 min is OK) and the wheel has to say Made in the USA.
txchemist said:
good luck with the rules, i had to fight for 5 years just to get oil allowed. Now everyone runs it locally.
It sounds like the USA built one's are on the way out. Time to stock up for the next few years!/images/boards/smilies/biggrin.gifollar:
might be worth something in the future.
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