A new proposal for the 2016 Mid-America Rules

[Vitamin K]

Well, I thought this thread would have dried up by now, since I essentially conceded the initial point of my argument. Since there's still some activity, however, I'll go ahead and write a few words before I'm officially voted off of the island. I'll keep one foot in the dinghy, though.

Some of you seem incensed that I would say bad things about the Mid-America Derby. Well, if you read the initial post that opened the thread, you'll see I had mostly positive things to say about the race and its organizers, and that I was putting forth a suggestion to improve what I felt could stand to be improved.

A few specific responses.

Maybe an option for 90 day off, if he comes back the same full delete, this way we can concentrate on the fire series!!!

I know I'm repeating myself, but I am simultaneously baffled and amused by this mindset that somehow I am making people unable to concentrate on the topic of <insert other topic here>. It's as simple as going to the appropriate sub-forum and clicking the 'create new thread' button. If you want to discuss the Fire Series then you should discuss the Fire Series.

Really, you should.

By the way, I have now accomplished my Sub 3 goal? with all stock parts (granted that tracks are all different, so what is sub 3 anyway?) and now am ready to cut my own outlaw wheels.

Well, I thought that was YOUR goal to run sub 3 on ALL stock Parts before going to the next level. Watch out CHIPS he is sub 3 now will all stock parts as he is now going to make his own wheels for the "new rules MA 2016". Good Luck.

I don't see a dichotomy in having a personal goal of running Sub-3 on stock parts and also looking for ways to make money less of a factor in the Mid-Americas.

Please Don't Discredit the NSC rules again. Lead is the least of the concern. Do not come on a thread that I started and say:

Sorry, I didn't mean to have this turn into an environmental debate.

No worries. Glad you showed us. I always like seeing new ideas that folks are up to.

I really don't care what you think. I know that you are always the first to respond. Not sure how you are always so fast to respond to anyone[/QUOTE]

I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make by that. I like the NSC rules, by and large. I think their wording regarding the use of lead is maybe a little stronger than necessary, but that's not a major issue in my mind.

Suffice to say that the exhortation not to use lead is not part of what I'm attempting to get our district to emulate. /images/boards/smilies/wink.gif

It is much better to have a solid set of MEASURABLE rules, than to change them in the zero hour.

I live on planet earth and within the normal constraints of the commoners. If you choose to respond, don't expect a quick responce as my job and family comes first.

Zero hour? Who is changing anything at the zero hour? Where do you pull that from? It would seem to me that if one wanted to put forth an idea for a rules change for a race that happens in April, July would be a good time.

 

[3phase]

I know it will never happen, but this thread makes me want Laserman back.
Not the derbytalk version, the original.

 

[CivilWarTalk]

Every time I come back to this thread, or the BASX debate thread, I think I should add a new new proposal:

Maybe we should eliminate the wheels all together. It sure would make building cars easier.

No wheels to sand, lathe, wax, lube, inspect, weigh, and then you don't really need axles at all! That would sure end a lot of the headaches and expenses of running a derby car.

But I mean really, what's the best part of working on derby cars any way? Waxing right?!!? Just think of all the waxing you could be doing! You could spend quality time waxing the whole bottom of your "car", gotta have that glossy finish to slide all the way to he finish line!

What a great way to level the playing field for everyone!

And if we outlaw adding weights to the car, then that would take another level of skill away, lower the gateway to entry, and even out the competition.

We can make it a League Competition, call it the SLED class for Super Lightweight Entry-level Derby.

Yes, I think we need to consider this seriously!

Bring on the SLEDs!

 

[BulldogRacing]

 

[bracketracer]

Do we need a delete VK poll? I understand he has started to get shut down on other forums.

DEAD MAN WALKING!!!!!!!


LOL. J/K.

From the looks of the poll, most of us like the entertainment so far.

 

[Rocket car]

VK might have several issues with the SLED class. I can hear him argue it now.
1: it's not cheap enough: no waxing, painting allowed
2: it's not the original intent of the sport.
3: you are to use only domestic grown wood.
4: etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,!!!!!

On and on..........

Then we would have another 400+ posts.

 

[BlewBYu]

Every time I come back to this thread, or the BASX debate thread, I think I should add a new new proposal:

Maybe we should eliminate the wheels all together. It sure would make building cars easier.

No wheels to sand, lathe, wax, lube, inspect, weigh, and then you don't really need axles at all! That would sure end a lot of the headaches and expenses of running a derby car.

But I mean really, what's the best part of working on derby cars any way? Waxing right?!!? Just think of all the waxing you could be doing! You could spend quality time waxing the whole bottom of your "car", gotta have that glossy finish to slide all the way to he finish line!

What a great way to level the playing field for everyone!

And if we outlaw adding weights to the car, then that would take another level of skill away, lower the gateway to entry, and even out the competition.

We can make it a League Competition, call it the SLED class for Super Lightweight Entry-level Derby.

Yes, I think we need to consider this seriously!

Bring on the SLEDs!

I hate to be the contrarian here, Civil War talker, but you are WAY out of line! There is no way your idea will work by doing away with the weights. Instead, lets do away with the wheels and axles, but INCREASE the allowable weights. I say double the weight for each class. This will allow the car to slide further. Now, I need to find the best lubricant for the bottom of my car.

As an aside, I also think no one should be able to use the color orange for cars in our League races.

 

[derbychip]

to make money less of a factor in the Mid-Americas.

I don't think money is a huge factor in the Mid America Pinewood Derby, someone can build a complete top ten competitive car for in neighborhood of $60 to $80, I don't think that is a huge investment when you take into count that the parts can be reused in the following years. You break that down to 5 years of use, your looking at somewhere around $15 a year, you cant take your son to the movies once for that!

We at the Mid America Derby see cars from every type imaginable, from the ones the kid through together with no help all to the ones the kid may not of helped as much with. But I do know from the atmosphere and looking at all these young scouts faces, they don't need to be in the top tier to have a memorable time. The point I'm trying to make is its a event more than it is a competition, I understand being live helps with that aspect but I believe one does not have to be in the top 10 to enjoy the show as a proxy either.

VK, I don't mind you
your frustrating though, because you get something in your head and you don't look at all variables except what you want.

 

[Kinser Racing]

VK, I don't mind you
your frustrating though, because you get something in your head and you don't look at all variables except what you want.

A.k.a. Narcissism.

 

[BulldogRacing]

VK, I don't mind you
your frustrating though, because you get something in your head and you don't look at all variables except what you want.

A.k.a. Narcissism.

 

[zeebzob]

The worst ever was a very high educated college professor who knew everything. This man had the least amount of common sense I had ever dealt with.

I got a kick out of that statement because it rings so true. It’s a sad fact of life, but the world has an abundance of well educated morons.

 

[xanthrum]

Ummm... Wow !!! I should keep up on the forum a little more... I thought I had a couple of things to say here but ... well I'm speechless.

VK - the MAPWD - will always stay true to the principles originally laid out by Don Murphy and racing is racing - ingenuity, craftsmanship, innovation, attention to detail, resources, and many other things go into putting together a successful winning combination. I have a great idea... how about you come up with a special set of VK Rules - come out to Omaha to help with the inspections of those rules (God Only knows you will be weighing wheels with a jig that you have developed while they are on the car) and we can have a VK Class - we can see if there is some traction... maybe you will help develop the next hottest things in PWD a class where someone can invest $3 in a car and win... this could be really interesting.

Truly
Greg Dawes

 

[Kinser Racing]

Ummm... Wow !!! I should keep up on the forum a little more... I thought I had a couple of things to say here but ... well I maybe speechless.

VK - the MAPWD - will always stay true to the principles originally laid out by Don Murphy and racing is racing - ingenuity, craftsmanship, innovation, attention to detail, resources, and many other things go into putting together a successful winning combination. I have a great idea... how about you come up with a special set of VK Rules - come out to Omaha to help with the inspections of those rules (God Only knows you will be weighing wheels with a jig that you have developed while they are on the car) and we can have a VK Class - we can see if there is some traction... maybe you will help develop the next hottest things in PWD a class where someone can invest $3 in a car and win... this could be really interesting.

Truly
Greg Dawes

Priceless! ☺

 

[Mr Chips Racing]

For once, I am without words. I have no energy for this. I guess because I have enough real things in life to focus on. Entertaining to say the least. You all know where my usual thoughts are on our friend VK's posts.

 

[microbrush]

I take back what I said. I also saw a double rainbow a few weeks ago. It always seems to appear in the same location 2-3 times a year. Why is that?

Temper your emotional response.


Negative people often gravitate toward others who react strongly–people who easily offer compassion or get outraged or offended. I suspect this gives them a little light in the darkness of their inner world–a sense that they’re not floating alone in their own anger or sadness.

People remember and learn from what you do more than what you say. If you feed into the situation with emotions, you’ll teach them they can depend on you for a reaction. It’s tough not to react because we’re human, but it’s worth practicing.

Once you’ve offered a compassionate ear for as long as you can, respond as calmly as possible with a simple line of fact. If you’re dealing with a rude or angry person, you may want to change the subject to something unrelated.

 

[KTMracer]

I take back what I said. I also saw a double rainbow a few weeks ago. It always seems to appear in the same location 2-3 times a year. Why is that?

Temper your emotional response.


Negative people often gravitate toward others who react strongly–people who easily offer compassion or get outraged or offended. I suspect this gives them a little light in the darkness of their inner world–a sense that they’re not floating alone in their own anger or sadness.

People remember and learn from what you do more than what you say. If you feed into the situation with emotions, you’ll teach them they can depend on you for a reaction. It’s tough not to react because we’re human, but it’s worth practicing.

Once you’ve offered a compassionate ear for as long as you can, respond as calmly as possible with a simple line of fact. If you’re dealing with a rude or angry person, you may want to change the subject to something unrelated.

That quote by Resphonic has to be the most psychologically deep bit of writing on this site. Either that or the Mr Chips quote about him doing the Fat Boy Shuffle.

 

[BulldogRacing]

Double rainbow "what does this mean? It's so vivid and bright!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI

 

[microbrush]

Double rainbow "what does this mean? It's so vivid and bright!"

That dude gets as excited about rainbows as Bulldog does about PWD. Was that your home video Bulldog?

That was funny. I guess Resophonic was correct.

 

[Kinser Racing]

Double rainbow "what does this mean? It's so vivid and bright!"

That dude was trippin' on something!

 

[Rocket car]

Double rainbow "what does this mean? It's so vivid and bright!"

That dude was trippin' on something!

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