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BASX Rules Clarification
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Chump Change Racing said:
What did I do? LOL
Benji would only use my car as the cross members for the ladder portions in the bodies of his cars...
IMHO I would like to see BASX stay as basic as possible simply because that was why it was started. Yes all the inner wheel weights or deflectors can be made cheap but they are advanced features,even more so than fenders.
Having said all that, the decision to allow inner wheel features was put to a vote and passed. I will continue focusing on my prep and add the extras if I have time.
Having said all that, the decision to allow inner wheel features was put to a vote and passed. I will continue focusing on my prep and add the extras if I have time.
I am thankful for the squiggly line under every word I misspell. I agree BASX needs an overhaul and will get one after this series.
You guys really don't like my plastic washers do you ??? This is funny !! Wait till guys put them on the front.
I remember what John said to me --- "Don't we all just want to go faster" ?? I said to myself No --I just want myself to go faster L.O.L.
This is the best place to race though -- Best Wed site, Best forum,A few classes that make sense, and GREAT VIDEO !!!
Look else were and you will realize there is no were else to look. See you guys in 2 weeks with my Plastic Washers & and new car.
and by the way the plastic does add weight !!
I remember what John said to me --- "Don't we all just want to go faster" ?? I said to myself No --I just want myself to go faster L.O.L.
This is the best place to race though -- Best Wed site, Best forum,A few classes that make sense, and GREAT VIDEO !!!
Look else were and you will realize there is no were else to look. See you guys in 2 weeks with my Plastic Washers & and new car.
and by the way the plastic does add weight !!
BlewBYu said:
It's a good thing that the different race classes get looked at to improve them. There have been a lot of cool things that have come out for racing. Wheel cavity weights, wheel cavity air deflectors, front trailing fenders, new wheels, new body shapes, etc. that have improved the times on the track and makes for very competitive racing.
But I think the BASX class should be very limited in what you can and can not do. Almost if you will, a spec class with body maybe not even shaped, with internal weighting, four 2.4g wheels and axles. Put them together, prep them and race. He who preps their car the best wins.
DerbyDad4Hire said:
Glad to read that. I am hopeful it returns to its original intent as a budget class.
Mister B Racing said:
Amen, that's my hope as well, I've improved my prep procedures and think this type of class will show me if I am good or still need work, while we're at it lets bring back the 63' track too (just kidding)
Back to basics but let's not go crazy by not shaping the body. A lot of whining going on. The changes we are talking about are minor. For example 95% of the people in BASX could use wheel weights, or any other of the controversial items and still not be able to beat Kinser, QT or several others. I put myself in that category as well so I focus on me and what I am doing to get better. When I get within 0.02 of Kinser then I may start whining but that is a ways off yet.
Mister B Racing said:
Not suggesting this for BASX - but I've been thinking it would be cool to have a class that promoted a variety of body shapes. For example, have a rule that a part of the body must be at least 1.5" high when measured from the ground. More thought would be need to nail down the rules but the idea is to do have something that forces us away from the candy bar shape.
I know SR does that to a degree, but it would be fun to see hand shaped bodies that don't necessarily look like street cars.
It may even force a few of us to start painting cars again.
On second thought ... never mind. Bad idea.
V
Vitamin K
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LightninBoy said:
I'd love to see more cars that were fast, but were actually carved into attractive shapes. How to do so in a competitive class would be...tricky though.
Should leagues seek to award some kind of recognition for aesthetics, as well? Maybe this is deserving of its own thread. Pulling it away off topic, here. /images/boards/smilies/smile.gif
Maybe once a year we could have a cool awesome bad boy sweet car looking contest. We send it in and we vote here on the forum for best looking car that must meet standard specs agreed on. If we did this I know that NPWDRL would not only have the very fastest cars in the nation but the best looking ones too. Maybe instead of sending them in we could even post pics ourselves but then we would not be able to prove specs. maybe we pick top 4 finalists in cool car and have a race off with those cars for final places. I know I miss painting cool cars, bring it on Chief!
Re: "Whining"
One reason for my limited participation is the money. When BASX was first created, it was a 1-3/4" x 7" body with four wheels. And that was it. Cheap. Intended to learn prep.
Then the Puma wheel weights came along. By some extension of logic I've never understood, weights glued onto the side of the body are not considered part of the body, something else. Suddenly, dense weights right at the rear axle line are legit for this 'a body and wheels only' class. $ Ka-ching! $
"Hey, the Puma weights are also aero! If we can aero the back wheels, why not the fronts?!" $ Ka-ching! $
And now we have the expensive, fastest wheels available. $$ Double-Ka-ching! $$
Yes, these wheels would have, and should have been legal from the very get-go. But as soon as they were made available and listed as "they take twice as long to hand cut so they are not cheap" they should have been immediately disallowed. Yes, any racer could have found these NOS wheels. But nowhere near as many racers have the equipment or skills to turn them.
I know that these parts don't trump prep. But they do trump equal prep. And many of those of us on the caboose end of the results list and not really willing to shell out very much money toward these "toy cars" see no hope of ever winning a race. So why bother?
Under the current rule set, I will not participate in BASX.
DD4H said:
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One reason for my limited participation is the money. When BASX was first created, it was a 1-3/4" x 7" body with four wheels. And that was it. Cheap. Intended to learn prep.
Then the Puma wheel weights came along. By some extension of logic I've never understood, weights glued onto the side of the body are not considered part of the body, something else. Suddenly, dense weights right at the rear axle line are legit for this 'a body and wheels only' class. $ Ka-ching! $
"Hey, the Puma weights are also aero! If we can aero the back wheels, why not the fronts?!" $ Ka-ching! $
And now we have the expensive, fastest wheels available. $$ Double-Ka-ching! $$
Yes, these wheels would have, and should have been legal from the very get-go. But as soon as they were made available and listed as "they take twice as long to hand cut so they are not cheap" they should have been immediately disallowed. Yes, any racer could have found these NOS wheels. But nowhere near as many racers have the equipment or skills to turn them.
I know that these parts don't trump prep. But they do trump equal prep. And many of those of us on the caboose end of the results list and not really willing to shell out very much money toward these "toy cars" see no hope of ever winning a race. So why bother?
Under the current rule set, I will not participate in BASX.
Crash I don't use any of those items no puma weights or predator wheels, etc for me. Like I said I am not at a level where they'll make much difference for me. My objective at this point is to send cars into the BASX class and improve each race. I have shaved 0.03 off my time since March. At some point (hopefully) I will be near the top and then those parts may make sense. I am just racing me and no one else, just working on the basics to get better.
Well crash at least your on the caboose.. I'm the hobo running down the track just trying to jump on the train!! /images/boards/smilies/smile.gif/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif/images/boards/smilies/smile.gif I do agree with you on everything you said.
Crash Enburn said:
DUH! I don't mean to be rude, but John said above he is going to review the rules after this series. I sure he is going to take into consideration everything you noted and probably more. Just hang in there use this series to improve your prep process, race against your own times. You can't get faster if you don't race.
My BASX car only has rear wheel cavity weights that might be special, the wheels are least expensive BASX wheels John offers with .092 axles. While my car was not one of the fastest, I raced every race and improved each race to where I finished 3rd overall in the Ice Series. I only mention this because even with the less expensive parts you can compete.
Steve - Mister B
