Drilling Canted Axle Holes

Ok I want to set the record straight…. I have read on some boards that they say that placing a cant pin under one side of your wood body to drill canted holes will works. NO IT DOESN’T. Will it drill a canted hole? YES… Will the canted hole on the rear of one side of the body be the same as on the other side? ABSOLUTELY NOT. For that to work it would be like winning the lottery.

In order to make the holes identical from side to side you would have to place the cant pin in the EXACT same position on each side. Also the wood body would have to be PERFECTLY square…. If your wood body is not square or your pin isn’t in the exact same position then your holes will NOT be drilled at the same angle and your car will have an alignment problem.

The Silver Bullet works because you are not relying on the wood block to be square at all. You are relying on the precision machining of the Silver Bullet. The slot to hold the pin is also machined in the same exact location from side to side…. So when you flip the Silver Bullet to drill the opposite side you get EXACT alignment.

Also…. Your drill press table does NOT have to be perfectly perpendicular to the spindle to use the Silver Bullet nor does your spindle have to have zero run-out. With a table that is a little out of perpendicular you will have a car that has an unnoticeable dog track, but the rear canted holes will be aligned. With a spindle that has some run-out you will have a larger axle hole, but it will still be centered on the right spot. Just make sure your drill press table is flat, that your Silver Bullet doesn’t move and your drill bit doesn’t wander.

Next…. Precision angle blocks… Can you drill good rear axle holes with this tool? This is better than the previous method, but you are now relying on the wood block to be perfectly square. Have you found a wood block that is perfectly square?

I am guessing that anyone using these methods with any speed is still bending a rear axle to tune it into alignment and then they go out and buy a lottery ticket.
 
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It is funny what people will try and come up with to replace the Silver Bullet/Block just so they don't have to refer people to our site. They would rather give people bad info. The only better thing to use might be a pre drilled block. I also find it funny that certain "Pro Racers" still can't understand that you don't have to square up your drill press to use the Silver Bullet. Funny stuff. It does help to blow off the steam.
 
DerbyDad4Hire said:
I also find it funny that certain "Pro Racers" still can't understand that you don't have to square up your drill press to use the Silver Bullet. Funny stuff. It does help to blow off the steam.
John - all I use is the Block (purchased from you prior to the release of the Silver Bullet). To me it is the only tool for making precise axle holes which is required for a foundation of a fast car.

Anyway - I know I'm sticking my .... out to get stomped on, and pardon my ignorance, by why doesn't the drill press need to be squared? If I have my table tilted 5 degrees (left/right), aren't my axles going to have 5 degrees of toe-in or toe-out?
 
Scott,

Thanks for the great info as always. Folks can also go to http://5kidsracing.webs.com/5kdrillingaxleholes.htm for drilling axle holes along with some other very good information.
 
You can mention Silver Bullet and Zero Friction Graphite, etc. on derby talk. You just cant link to them.
 
W - it seems you can now - but in the past even talking about the Block etc was voodoo.

5k - thx, I got it. So, ideally you would want to try to have it squared, but if the table was not square your axle holes would still be parallel - so relative to each other there would be not toe-in or toe-out.

I will admit - once you use the Block or Silver Bullet you start taking it for granted and forget all that it is really doing for you. You pics are a good reminder.
 
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So what is this alignment stuff you keep talking about? You just don't use the slots?
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Sorry I couldn't resist!!

Hey 5k, your wheels arent straight in your picture you my want to square up your computer!
 
Well now I am glad to be where I am on the forums..

I have cut 2 bodies but as of right now unable to move forward until I get back in a week with hopes to make my purchase from John ... Why take a chance on ruining or creating a big mess with your car and become frustrated ... I practice all the steps I have read or been told ... to save me headaches ... I know I can ask for help here when needed and do it right from the get go....

I got to say I am curious now about this site Derby Talk ..

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Well I cant leave this alone, pun intended.

So I see a post today, on another board out there, where the discussion is about the Pro Rail rider tool and a member asks and I quote “Wouldn't it be easier to put a straight nail into an angled hole, than bending nails?” and the moderators answer is and I quote again “You can do that if you like, but you are locked in with it with no adjustment and most do not have the equipment to do it proper. There is a bit of speed to be found in the rear of the car, especially when track tuning.”

Locked in to what? Locked into perfect alignment? Isn’t that where I want to be locked in at?

Most people do not have the equipment to do it proper? I have a $70 drill press from Menards that I got during a 20% off sale. So I paid around $48. You can buy a drill press from Harbor Freight for $69.99 right now. I will say this again… you do not need a high end drill press to use the Silver Bullet effectively. Do I want to search for perfect alignment using railriding by tuning on a track? How many Cub Scouts have a track to tune on? For railriding wouldn’t that be “equipment to do it proper”? How much is a pwd track?

Let’s look at the costs today to make a railrider for them and railrunner for us:

Railrider: Pro-Body Jig: $42.95 + Pro Rail Rider Tool: $12.95 + Pro Axle Press $16.95 = $72.85

Railrunner: Silver Bullet: $43.95

Let’s look at the proper tools required:

Railrider: Pinewood derby track $500-$1000

Railrunner: Drill press $69.99
 
Scott you forgot one other thing. TIME!!! How much of your time is lost in trying to tune a bent rear axle set up. Hours upon hours for 1 car, and all that to be slower then a Bullet drilled body.
 
Completely agree 5 Kids....

They are just throwin' their money into the wind.

Why not just get the Silver Bullet and be done with it.
I can drill a good block with my Silver Bullet on my Harbour Freight drill press.
It would be much better if I had decent eye sight and bothered set-up appropriate fixturing.
The blocks that I drill are good enough to win local Scout district races.

I will say though that I have found more speed in blocks drilled by more meticulous builders.
However, they are still drilled with the Silver Bullet.

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Having done the "bent axle" thing and the Silver Bullet, there is no comparison. I spent hours trying to get the alignment right with the bent axles and placed 3rd out 5 doing it.
Using the Silver Bullet and 1 bent axle, we went to 1st out of 5, 2nd overall Pack, 1st Wolves District, and 4th Wolves Mid-America. It took a lot less time to tune, about 20 minutes.

The other advantage to using the Silver Bullet method is that if the car smacks the back wall, your alignment is still intact. The other method tends to need to be touched up and you don't have that kind of time in a Pinewood Derby race.
 
I have not done much league racing as I spend a lot of time doing Scout workshops. I do this because after buying a Block a couple years ago I seen the tremendous speed gains to my sons cars and what a time saver it is. I also spend a lot of time trying to get the smaller Packs and those less educated on Pinewood Derby into the 21st century. I am amazed how many people refuse my help yet scoff at us as we have Won Pack and District Races while setting Track Records for the last 3 years. Those have accepted my advise have done the same. My nine year old's FAVORITE part of building his car is drilling the holes. With my supervision he totally set it up himself this year. Now I'm not saying all kids should do this . My point is the simplicity of this tool and it's advantages.

For any of you new guys.....buy it, use it , win it !