Dynasty Plug N Play

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Does anyone have any experience with DD4H Dynasty Plug N Play Pinewood Derby Build-A-Kit? I am wondering if a Legend Style, Standard wheel base, 3 wheel cant, Tungsten weight, Dynasty Rage wheels, Dynasty 92 BSA axles, all with DDHD Legendary Prep and graphite would be a 3.0XX car on a 42' Best Track?

Pretty strict rules for our Pack, but think this would all pass inspection. Just wonder if 3.0XX is easily achievable if the best of everything is purchased (within the rules). The inspection group will be using Max-V new gauge to check for illegal 1.170 wheels.
 
The stainless steel Dynasty axles are a different color than the Zinc-coated BSA axles, but the BSA speed axles John sells are the exact same in color (Zinc) and size as the BSA axles (.087"--which means smaller diameter than the Dynasty axles--.092"). I don't know how closely your inspection team will be looking at axle heads.
 
I hear the new Max V wheels gage is pretty high tech, so you better be right on the money with the OD. Lol
 
They can only enforce that gauge if the tolerance of .170 is specified! Also I have tested both wheel .170-.180 very very small speed change if any. DD dynasty .180 are faster!
 
Kinser Racing said:
laserman said:
I hear the new Max V wheels gage is pretty high tech, so you better be right on the money with the OD. Lol

It sounds like just another way for rules to get stupid. IMO /images/boards/smilies/smile.gif

ABSOLUTELY!! Our Pack adds rules each year. New rule this year is we now can no longer bend axles. We had to pull our axles during inspection last year just because my son colored the ends of his axles with a red sharpie. He just thought it was cool to match the car paint. I guess I now understand they were looking for stainless axles. Messed up all the tuning we did, but we still ran 3.1XX and finished fourth. Pre-race was a 3.09X car with the help of a veteran neighbor used to DD4H methods. This is only our second year and the neighbor moved. All on my son and I this year.
 
I think with the DD4H plug and play set up you will be able to run the times that you are shooting for.
 
My son ran the same car you are talking about last year. The only difference is he had the Nitro wheels on it. He finished 1st in his den and 1st in the pack. It ran 3.10 all day. I think you will have no trouble winning the race.
 
ninjarabbi1997 said:
The stainless steel Dynasty axles are a different color than the Zinc-coated BSA axles, but the BSA speed axles John sells are the exact same in color (Zinc) and size as the BSA axles (.087"--which means smaller diameter than the Dynasty axles--.092"). I don't know how closely your inspection team will be looking at axle heads.

Here's a very cool way to disguise stainless axles.
ninja
Take aluminum tape and a hole punch and use the little round circle you cut and stick it on to the head of axle. Then rub the two together with a t-shirt. Looks exactly like the original BSA one then.
ninja
 
Rocket car said:
ninjarabbi1997 said:
The stainless steel Dynasty axles are a different color than the Zinc-coated BSA axles, but the BSA speed axles John sells are the exact same in color (Zinc) and size as the BSA axles (.087"--which means smaller diameter than the Dynasty axles--.092"). I don't know how closely your inspection team will be looking at axle heads.
Here's a very cool way to disguise stainless axles.
ninja
Take aluminum tape and a hole punch and use the little round circle you cut and stick it on to the head of axle. Then rub the two together with a t-shirt. Looks exactly like the original BSA one then.
ninja

that is cool. I love stuff like that. even if you don't use it, it is fun to know every trick in the book.
 
John would know best, but has anyone experimented with a plug-n-play car? I have been reallybusy and not had a chance to set up the track for test and tune. Im curious to know how the car will respond to moderately aggressive COG. Thanks.
 
ive used the plug and play block when I first started and its very very easy to build a fast car. In fact if you get it with the legend cut then there is no other woodwork to do but perhaps give is a once over with fine sand paper to smooth it out, or if your like me now (I am copying what others here do after reading posts in the past) is use a vinyl covering or Monokote.....so much easier to just cut it out to fit the car, peel the back off and stick on the car....instant finish...smooth, no paint drying or bubbles or dealing with primer and resanding etc....and if you wanted to paint you can paint over it anyway.....

so you could literally finish the body of the car in an hour or two (just black sharpie any open areas or the sides ala Kinser!), then if your using axels from DD4H, and you have his polishing kits, this will take a most maybe 5 to 10 minutes per axel if your being careful and taking your time....

then the wheels, again with John's polishing kit its what 5 minutes per wheel going slowly and carefully to do the first polish. Second polish will take an overnight dry (put in, wait 10 minutes to dry, then buff out and let sit overnight to cure)....

Next day, take all the part throw it on a scale and now add the tungsten cubes to get the weight to as close to 5 ounces as you can and install the weights in the precut pockets...put 2 rows of 6 behind the rear axel, and likely one row of 6 in front of the rear axel and the remaining as a row shifted more towards the dominant wheel side)

Now buff in graphite into the bores (fluffy pipe cleaner or other non scratch bore applicators), spray pledge on the axels and final wipe off and let dry for a few minutes and then put wheel and axel together, add graphite to the two ends and spin or tap to get in down in the bores and broken in a bit and then install on car with a small gap (John also sells some nice gap gauges that are helpful if you don't like eyeballing it)...

Final weight of the car (don't forget to get some of that foil tape or other tape to cover the weight pockets up under the car) and use tungsten putty or lead tape or whatever to get the final weight to what you want.

if its drilled straight your done....if you had the body drilled canted for running the rail then just verify that the car drifts about 3 to 4" over 4 feet which it should as its drilled to do so already or just don't worry about it LOL.

so adding it all up....at most fairly straightforward work that even the boys can do a lot if most of with their parents help (which is what scout PWD racing is about!), spread out over a max 2 day period (unless you want to do much more painting and design which requires dry time) to make a very competitive fast car that in all likelihood is faster than anything else at a scouts race (except for those other families doing the same as you LOL)!
 
I started my experimenting with the plug-n-play block. I found that the more aggressive the cog you put in, the more aggressive the steering gets. This was not what I expected but was a welcomed benefit.
 
My son's pack car that he built with a broken arm was about a 3.09-3.10 car on a 42' Best Track. Before heading to the District and Council races, I got a Plug and Play block to use as a benchmark only (we decided early on to strictly honor the Council rules that required Official Pinewood parts only) to build a faster car. The Plug-n-Play based car was faster than my son's pack car, and it took multiple iterations before we were able to build our own car (with true Pinewood kit components) that could beat that Plug-n-Play block. That final car went on to win the District and took third in the Council. John told me afterwards he was surprised we were able to build one faster than his plug-n-play. John truly knows what it takes to go fast and can reproduce it on demand.