As the testing and tuning continue to be an issue for me, I have made new cars with graphite going as fast (or slow) as oil cars. Chime in as to what you have found to overcome this anomaly....
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Graphite as fast as oil???
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I have the dvd and my graphite cars still run as fast or faster than oil! Please throw a dog a bone! I have tried everything but Jigaloo. It will be here in three days!
- Nov 24, 2011
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speed bump said:
Here's your bone! Watch the DVD over, and over, and over again, until you see what your missing./images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif
93's and the one grams that i got from you.Just watch the dvd again and i seam to be doing it just like it shows.Just reprepped my wheels and axels again and i will try tomor. I used the blue thunder this time and the axels are clear when let them dry. So maybe that will be a good sign. Not going to give up! I am hard head as a goat.
Does anyone have any information about the "Physics Lecture" method of using a combo of oil and graphite. The article says you can get spin times of around 2 minutes. How does that compare in the real world with the DD4H method?
[font="times new roman, times, serif"]There have been studies done on it and some of the lectures sound good and have good info in there however, the proof is in the pudding. What looks good and works on paper can blow your mind on the track. Things that should work dont and things that shouldnt work do.
The testing that I have read was unbiased and disproved the "Super Z" oil and graphite. I have only read about it online so I have none of my own Xperience to share but, you could always do your own Xperiment and let the forum know of the results???[/font]
I was able to get the Doc Jobe oil and graphite to work back in 2005. It was the first miracle I ever saw.. It was fast ---BUT it did not last over 6 races for me, and it was very difficult to repeat. You can not tell very well if you get that monolayer of graphite on the axle. That was many years ago- then when bore preps came out, it dropped the time of all processes and after I got the DVD from DD4H, I was able to get the "oil" to work. When it did- I saw my second miracle. As I have gone back and studied the times, the things in the "oil" process are just as good and much easier to do than the graphite Z-oil process. All the fastest cars create combinations that get very low overall friction with synergy to drop the start friction down below oil by itself by using bore preps and axle preps that work with the oil to drop the friction.. The last time I think a big test was run in public, the graphite-z-oil cars got totally smoked back in 2007- BUT they got smoked by cars rail running and that was unknown to the z-oil crew. It is my opinion that the z-oil done perfect will still get beat by DD4H DVD process in a long series of runs. That process is at least 2 levels below the fast times at March Madness run by DD4H and Kinser.
jeff_watts said:
Spin times are no longer a very reliable way to predict speed. I think I have zoil here from a long time ago. I could probably do a test in a month or two when all the dust settles.
When using the Dupont Teflon spray (aka - blue stuff), would spinning the axle slowly in a drill while spraying help get it applied evenly? Maybe speed up toward the end of the process to shed the excess?
Looking to find a consistent method... /images/boards/smilies/frown.gif
JT
Looking to find a consistent method... /images/boards/smilies/frown.gif
JT
What I did with the jigga is spray some in a small container and than drop the axles in let soak of a min and remove. The apply seemed more consistent but no speed gains were picked up for me, my work different for you. So I am back to a spray down and shake you MUST let dry for at least 15min. For the teflon blue if you spray in a different container I would make sure you give it a good shake to make sure it was mixed up. From what I have found is that more isn't always better.(jigga, teflon, oil)
John Thawley said:When using the Dupont Teflon spray (aka - blue stuff), would spinning the axle slowly in a drill while spraying help get it applied evenly? Maybe speed up toward the end of the process to shed the excess?
Looking to find a consistent method...
JT
I have tried using my lathe at various speeds to spin axles and apply any of the following axle treatments Dupont Blue Teflon, Blue Thunder and Jigaloo. It lets it go on real smooth but when I looked at it under microscope it actually picked up small dust particles. I now just spray the jig and shake. It is amazing what you miss without a microscope.
I have done the spin thing, but got the same results with a fast shake by hand. The Cubs can do better with me running it in a drill like you did, and the Cub just sprays the axle, me, and everything in sight. I have a screen door that is about waterproof by now.
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