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[LightninBoy]

I think he is referring to the new raised wheel. It is completely different then the bsa wheel and has no lettering. The rules don't distinguish that the raised wheel doesn't have to have the same rules apply as the rolling wheels.

You can remove the wheel and nothing is attached so it is not a wheel cover.

I was referring to both products - the wheel and the wheel cavity weights.

The wheel is legal because its a Pinecar wheel which never had lettering to begin with. The rules state you can use BSA, Max Velocity, Pinecar, or Awana wheels.

The wheel cavity weight is legal because its good enough for the lettering/inside of the wheel to be visible when the wheel is removed for inspection.

While it may be good enough for the this league, its more complicated in scout racing. In scout events, we can't be disassembling cars to enforce rules - at least that's a core principal in the Northern Star Council. Since we are just about to finalize the 2015 rules, I've sent an email out to the Northern Star Council to clarify the rules in response to this product. I suspect these wheel weights won't be allowed.

 

[ngyoung]

I didn't know that was a pine car wheel. As for the weights, I don't see any reason for why they would be questioned, in npwdrl or in scouts. Most scout car bodies are too tall to see inside the wheel for the markings when installed so that isn't a requirement. Looking from below I guess could be. You could modify them to just name the bottom flat all the way across instead of just the small cut out. That would lower the weight but would still be effective. It doesnt actually touch the wheel so it isnt a wheel cover. The wheel hub doesn't rub on it so it shouldn't be disqualified as a washer.

 

[LightninBoy]

I didn't know that was a pine car wheel. As for the weights, I don't see any reason for why they would be questioned, in npwdrl or in scouts. Most scout car bodies are too tall to see inside the wheel for the markings when installed so that isn't a requirement..

It is a requirement in our rules. Most scout rules require the lettering inside and outside to be visible. What's the point of that rule if it can't be enforced? In NPWDRL, the rule can be enforced by removing wheels. In scouts, we won't do that ... at least in my council.

It doesn't matter how tall the car is, you can look at the inside of the wheel from the bottom of the car.

 

[Maglev]

John,
The wheel weights can be used in BASX, SS and SP right?
MAGLEV

 

[Guest]

John,
The wheel weights can be used in BASX, SS and SP right?
MAGLEV

I like the way you think Maglev.

 

[plhiatt]

Wheel weights? I thought heavy wheels would make you slower? Am I missing something here?

 

[ngyoung]

The weight isn't actually touching the wheel. It is attached to the body. It just takes advantage of the space inside the wheel.

If this version won't work in some scout cars, an alternate one could be made where the whole bottom is flat, leaving a small gap to see the inside. Also if a scout is willing to remove their wheel to pass inspection I don't see why they wouldn't be allowed to still use this one.

Wheel weights? I thought heavy wheels would make you slower? Am I missing something here?

 

[DerbyDad4Hire]

While it may be good enough for the this league, its more complicated in scout racing. In scout events, we can't be disassembling cars to enforce rules - at least that's a core principal in the Northern Star Council. Since we are just about to finalize the 2015 rules, I've sent an email out to the Northern Star Council to clarify the rules in response to this product. I suspect these wheel weights won't be allowed.

This is where guys like you need to take the lead and start turning scout racing around from the ridiculous rules they create. Removing a wheel post race should be no issue for the trophy spots if it is just a timed race.

There are plenty of packs that will allow this. How can you turn down a weight that you don't have to cut into the body that gives you better performance? Makes it easy for a lot of people without tools.

 

[GravityX]

John,
The wheel weights can be used in BASX, SS and SP right?
MAGLEV

If you are using a non-reversed wheel for SP, then yes you can. A reversed wheel and the wheel weight, not likely. As far as the other classes, I can't see why not.

 

[ngyoung]

Only way I can see this being used with a reversed wheel is if it can be attached to the axle head. It would need to also be done in a way without touching the surface of the axle head that makes contact with the wheel. Would be a real PITA to pull off but is probably doable.

So who was actually using these weights already in NPWDRL? I assume John. Anyone else willing to give a testimonial?

John,
The wheel weights can be used in BASX, SS and SP right?
MAGLEV

If you are using a non-reversed wheel for SP, then yes you can. A reversed wheel and the wheel weight, not likely. As far as the other classes, I can't see why not.

 

[~JBD RACING~]

I'm not using them..not saying I won't. I been messin with my Eliminator & Bearing car finding more speed. People need to understand how to use them before trying them. There's a lot of changes far as set up that has to occur to make everything work.. Next new SS I build I will probably try the weight.. But not right now..

 

[DerbyDad4Hire]

I just slapped them on. Every car I have put them on has run well.

 

[HurriCrane Racing]

I'll give them a try! Just another flavor to my addiction.

 

[TRE]

John you just slap everything on..LOL

 

[Minions Racing]

Most of my cars had weights in the wheel wells. I've been experimenting with them for a few months. I made mine out of lead and they weighed about 0.8oz each. So 1.3oz is awesome. I'm definitely getting these instead. I used epoxy to attach them to the sides and that seemed to survive mailing them through USPS. I painted the weights with spray paint. When I pulled them off the car, the epoxy just ripped off the paint so they were easy to reuse.

At nationals, there were all types of cars using various weights in the wheel wells. Some just glue cubes to the side of the car. I didn't invent the idea so I didn't feel it was my place to tell. I think for every car in the finals that had them, there was another car that did not have them, though. And there were several cars not in the finals with them. So definitely a good way to get more weight in the back without using a thicker body, but not the answer if your struggle is in other areas.

 

[LightninBoy]

This is where guys like you need to take the lead and start turning scout racing around from the ridiculous rules they create. Removing a wheel post race should be no issue for the trophy spots if it is just a timed race.

There are plenty of packs that will allow this. How can you turn down a weight that you don't have to cut into the body that gives you better performance? Makes it easy for a lot of people without tools.

The Northern Star Council rules are some of the most liberal in the country. This year, I have been vocal and influential regarding the changes for next year's rules. The 2015 NSC rules are going to be, hands down, the best scouting rules in nation.

But a core tenet of the NSC rules is enforceability without tear down (of any kind). And I fully support that tenet. Its not only a question of practicality (which is huge), its also been a key rationale for the liberalization of other rules such as allowing aftermarket axles.

Tying this back to the topic of this cool new product, should you want these wheel weights to be accepted in NSC scout races (and possibly many other scouts events which I can't speak to) - then as nyyoung suggests I think completely removing the bottom 1/3rd or so of the circle would address any objective reasons for disallowing them.

 

[down4derby]

I've been racing with wheel weights since the middle of last year. I first tried them on my ss slime time. I picked up a few thou over traditional methods of weighting it. I also attribute the wheel weights as the reason my ss "tunnel vision" made the finals for the first time. I truly believe if everything else is as it should be the wheel weights will give you more speed. JBD, I can only think that if you use them you will be even faster. Also, the cars are noticeably quieter with the weights installed.

 

[ngyoung]

A pair of these are only 2.6oz and would leave roughly another 1.4oz to spare for most cars I would think. It seems you'd still need to have some weight pockets cut to get up to 5oz and adjust CoG.

 

[Guest]

A pair of these are only 2.6oz and would leave roughly another 1.4oz to spare for most cars I would think. It seems you'd still need to have some weight pockets cut to get up to 5oz and adjust CoG.

Hi Nick,

These weights are something that Down4Derby and I have been cooking up for some time now.

They are amazing and totally rewrite the rules of weighting a PWD car.

Later in this thread I will tell the full story about how they came to be.

D4D and I can each write a college thesis on these weights.

For now I will just say that if you think hard about your question you will realize that there is no need for weight pockets.

 

[TRE]

are you guys getting royalties