I am not saying she is the arbiter, but she works with the lady who is from my understanding. I am trying to find out who created these rules. The pack master seems to agree with her and he will be the one judging for our pack. I really do not know who comes up with the rules.
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chennemann,
My suggestion would be to have them show you how they are going to inspect it.
Also, with stock wheels and axles, 1 degree is undetectable in my opinion by just sitting it on a table. There is just too much slop in the wheel to axle interface.
My suggestion would be to have them show you how they are going to inspect it.
Also, with stock wheels and axles, 1 degree is undetectable in my opinion by just sitting it on a table. There is just too much slop in the wheel to axle interface.
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Vitamin K
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Knotthed said:
I second this suggestion.
It's almost impossible to build a car and have all of the weight distributed equally on all four wheels.
Also, if you buy enough BSA axles, you're gonna find a few that are bent enough to qualify for at least 1 degree of cant. You could use these and honestly say you had not modified them.
How would I get 1 degree angle with the silver bullet? Also do you think cutting the car like suggest above and putting a 1 degree steer to the front wheels be within the rules?
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chennemann said:
You'd need to drill with a smaller pin size under the block. Some other folks could probably give you the specific size you'd want.
When I bought my silver bullet it came with a chart to show what angle any pin size would give. I don't have it in front of me but I am sure someone could post it. There is no way inspectors are going to be able to enforce that tight of tolerance. At this point you're really just trying to bias your tolerance for error in the direction you want vs having each axle possibly going at a different angle.
You may not be as fast as previous year but as long as they actually enforce their rules I am sure you will perform just as good as before, relative to the competition.
You may not be as fast as previous year but as long as they actually enforce their rules I am sure you will perform just as good as before, relative to the competition.
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chennemann said:
If this is in reference to txchemist's method, I think that it would be in line with the rules to do so. Just make sure that you sand and paint well over the join, just to keep inspectors from getting stupid.
I agree with Knotthed and Vitamin K: The slop in the bores of the wheels is enough to let them run flat when the axle is angled at 1*.
In my experience, the person doing the check-in will roll the car and make sure that all four wheels roll. And that's it. Someone might get their eye down to the surface and look for daylight, but that is unlikely, and scout-built cars are going to have all sorts of wonky axle attachments.
Another likelihood is that they'll have a check-in box: stick the car in and close the end to check height/width/length. Then try to spin each of the wheels; if any spin, you are out of spec (chassis too low, or a wheel or wheels too high).
In either test case, you would pass easily.
In my experience, the person doing the check-in will roll the car and make sure that all four wheels roll. And that's it. Someone might get their eye down to the surface and look for daylight, but that is unlikely, and scout-built cars are going to have all sorts of wonky axle attachments.
Another likelihood is that they'll have a check-in box: stick the car in and close the end to check height/width/length. Then try to spin each of the wheels; if any spin, you are out of spec (chassis too low, or a wheel or wheels too high).
In either test case, you would pass easily.
According to this site http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm a 3/32 drill bit would be pretty darn close. I can find one of those pretty easy.
Well we put it together and tested today. The race is tomorrow. His car is about half a car length slower than last year. But he is using stock wheels, axles, didn't bend the front axle (used the 1 percent trick txchemist), and graphite compared to oil last year. Also last year we had one raised wheel.
We do have fenders we could put on. Do they help? We are having a hard time getting them on with crazy glue.
I believe this is pretty close. He won easily last year, so he should be competitive assuming everyone follows the new rules.
We do have fenders we could put on. Do they help? We are having a hard time getting them on with crazy glue.
I believe this is pretty close. He won easily last year, so he should be competitive assuming everyone follows the new rules.
Thanks for the help. My boy won with an average time of 2.54. The closest average was 2.60.
We did get the gee fenders on. We were trying to put them on the wrong way. With quicker drying CA glue it wasn't hard at all. All the tips really did help. Thanks again....
We did get the gee fenders on. We were trying to put them on the wrong way. With quicker drying CA glue it wasn't hard at all. All the tips really did help. Thanks again....
Went to districts and my son did well. Came in second 3 out 4 races, place 4-6 in wolfs. His time were around 2.64 on this track. The best being around 2.59-2.58. So of these cars weight placement was not great (lead weights on the top of the car) but still had great times.
Check in basically they did the weight, check for total width, length and if it had tire width clearance. They checked to make sure wheels were aligned, canting and if it had 4 on the floor (no 3 wheeled cars). They did disqualify one or two cars because of canting or hardly looked at wheels at all, didn't do a magnet test.
Since I ran stock wheels and axles, I am concerned he was at a disadvantage. I will never know for sure, it is possible the top quarter of the racers were just much better. I now he probably could of done the following which would of made him competitive:
Oil
Cheetah wheels
92 with points axles
It was a great learner experience and he had fun. I focused on spending more time next year fine tuning the car. But I hate the fact that rules are not enforced. I would much rather say build a fast car and have rules you enforce.
Thanks for the help, it was a fun year....
Check in basically they did the weight, check for total width, length and if it had tire width clearance. They checked to make sure wheels were aligned, canting and if it had 4 on the floor (no 3 wheeled cars). They did disqualify one or two cars because of canting or hardly looked at wheels at all, didn't do a magnet test.
Since I ran stock wheels and axles, I am concerned he was at a disadvantage. I will never know for sure, it is possible the top quarter of the racers were just much better. I now he probably could of done the following which would of made him competitive:
Oil
Cheetah wheels
92 with points axles
It was a great learner experience and he had fun. I focused on spending more time next year fine tuning the car. But I hate the fact that rules are not enforced. I would much rather say build a fast car and have rules you enforce.
Thanks for the help, it was a fun year....
chennemann said:
The three things you listed are specifically singled out as being illegal in the rules you posted.
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