VK if you want a scout race go to a scout race, this is a league. If you carefully re read these post with your blinders off, you can see the answer you demanded has already been answered.
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Mojo Racing said:
So what it sounds like you're saying (correct me if I'm misinterpreting), is that the purpose behind the BASX class have shifted. If we define the original purpose as "low cost, entry-level," then...what is it now?
In fact, that would be a satisfying answer, if somebody in NPWDRL management just clarified what the purpose of the class was.
TRE said:
I'm not mad. I'm just trying to get an answer. I don't think I'm asking anything unreasonable.
TRE said:
Maybe not. Tell you what, if management will just say, "We decline to answer the question regarding the appropriateness of the Predator wheels in the BASX class,", I'll just leave it at that.
561 Racing said:
Please provide me a citation.
I made predator wheels for under $10! That is why they are available, because some of us that race turn a lot of our own wheels. It's CHEAP. Your question has been answered here and in many other post. You just choose to over look it.
The purpose of the BASX class is to get people racing, Yes it has evolved. Just like the SS class over the years. Usually the evolution happens to create a more level playing field, for all racers.
You'll probably just pass over this post and continue to complain and point out things that you don't like. And use them as excuses as to why you are not racing. In fact why aren't you racing? Let's see if we can find a new point as to why your not racing, this one is getting OLD. You can't use you don't have time, because you are ALWAYS on here, instead of building cars.
The purpose of the BASX class is to get people racing, Yes it has evolved. Just like the SS class over the years. Usually the evolution happens to create a more level playing field, for all racers.
You'll probably just pass over this post and continue to complain and point out things that you don't like. And use them as excuses as to why you are not racing. In fact why aren't you racing? Let's see if we can find a new point as to why your not racing, this one is getting OLD. You can't use you don't have time, because you are ALWAYS on here, instead of building cars.
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Vitamin K said:
Really dude! Are you that dense? It's still cheap to "Get into!" What don't you get about that? The grand majority of people who race the first few times are not going to be incredible competitive, there's a learning curve! Guys that want to win do the R&D and get the parts to fill the need for speed and it will end end up costing a little money. Would you like us to start a scout class for you? You'll win because you'll be racing yourself! This is the Pro's, suck it up Buttercup!
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VK there is a reason the class was copied by every other league. Making a rule to say no weight can be removed from the inside is yet another rule that is too hard to judge. Weight is simple.
BASX– A basic build class to jump into the competition.
The first line in the rules and a correct description of what the class is for.
The first line in the rules and a correct description of what the class is for.
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Quicktimederby said:
Could you unpack that a bit? Does that mean, $10.00 to obtain the pre-2009 wheels, and then turn them on your lathe? That seems a little out of reach to your typical beginning racer. I mean, if you're turning your own wheels, any cut can be "cheap" by that metric.
I just wrote a long post, deleted it and decided to go get popcorn instead.
I need to get my wheel bore process perfected before I worry about these petty issues.
If anyone wants my opinion, I'm sure they'll give it to me.
I need to get my wheel bore process perfected before I worry about these petty issues.
If anyone wants my opinion, I'm sure they'll give it to me.
So because I have tools and knowledge I can't use them? There are many here that turn their own wheels so it's cheap for them. So I guess as long as you turn your own wheels you can run them because there cheap. If you have to buy them turned your SOL. I like the way that works out for me! BASX is a points class in the NPWDRL it counts in the overall standings so yea your going to have a lot of seasoned racers, racing. The whole very oblivious evolution of the class.
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CivilWarTalk said:
I know what you mean.
Lately I find myself typing a long post, then re-reading what I wrote while asking myself the question "Does this feed the troll?" And then I just delete it all usually!
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Quicktimederby said:
You could apply that same argument to any class with any sort of wheel restrictions, though. If obtaining race-quality, lathe-turned wheels was something that was readily available to everybody, there probably would be no sort of restrictions in the first place.
At any rate, it seems like one of my assumptions about the class is being proven false. I had stated earlier that my understanding of the BASX was thus:
I am fairly certain that this was a naive assessment, now.
The only thing that is naive is us for keep feeding VK, race don't race. Where do I find the ignore button for this troll.
He has no time to race but posts on every board... funny that he doesn't act this way anywhere else. I guess there is an easy solution...
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Wow, the topic of conversation keeps coming back to me. What can I say? I'm flattered you all care so much.
There were a few points raised earlier, though, that actually pertain to the topic:
I readily agree that the concept of the class is a great one, and worthy of imitation. It's the execution that I am less taken with.
Regarding rules enforcement. Weight is simple. I do agree with that. I wish certain other race organizers agreed with that. Ahem.
Anyhow, here's the thing. With a post-2009 wheel, you cannot take much off of the tread without dropping your weight below the 2.4 gram mark. You can get trued up, and that's about it. So worrying about people using post-2009 wheels that have been illegally lightened is a non-issue, in my opinion.
Now, the pre-2009 wheels have a much thicker tread. They're also a lot heavier. So there is a lot of material to be removed, if you are so inclined. /However/, I would contend that it is pretty easy to tell if somebody has removed material from the inner tread of a pre-2009 wheel. Here's a heuristic:
- Is this a pre-2009 wheel?
- Is the outer diameter consistent with our regulations?
- Is the thickness of the thread significantly thinner?
If so, you have yourself an illegally lightened pre-2009 wheel. And, since most racers won't be running pre-2009 wheels, you can stop the checklist at your very first item, lest there be concern about overly burdening the tech-in committee. Or, y'know, just relegate the wheel check to the winners' circle, post-race.
There were a few points raised earlier, though, that actually pertain to the topic:
DerbyDady4Hire said:
I readily agree that the concept of the class is a great one, and worthy of imitation. It's the execution that I am less taken with.
Regarding rules enforcement. Weight is simple. I do agree with that. I wish certain other race organizers agreed with that. Ahem.
Anyhow, here's the thing. With a post-2009 wheel, you cannot take much off of the tread without dropping your weight below the 2.4 gram mark. You can get trued up, and that's about it. So worrying about people using post-2009 wheels that have been illegally lightened is a non-issue, in my opinion.
Now, the pre-2009 wheels have a much thicker tread. They're also a lot heavier. So there is a lot of material to be removed, if you are so inclined. /However/, I would contend that it is pretty easy to tell if somebody has removed material from the inner tread of a pre-2009 wheel. Here's a heuristic:
- Is this a pre-2009 wheel?
- Is the outer diameter consistent with our regulations?
- Is the thickness of the thread significantly thinner?
If so, you have yourself an illegally lightened pre-2009 wheel. And, since most racers won't be running pre-2009 wheels, you can stop the checklist at your very first item, lest there be concern about overly burdening the tech-in committee. Or, y'know, just relegate the wheel check to the winners' circle, post-race.
I have a couple more thoughts to share on this topic since I missed a lot of this earlier...
You bet I ran the old style wheels at nationals in BASX, and the exact same wheels this last weekend, there was speed available there, and I felt I had worked my prep and car construction to get the most out of those areas. I will run these exact same wheels until I can't fix them up and they just won't compete anymore. I would bet I could get at least 6 races or more, and tuning runs, on this set. When you think about that, its probably less than 10 bucks a race. Well worth it for me...there's probably not one guy on this forum that wouldn't pay $8 per race to get .006 in BASX...for at least six races. When you consider the difference in price over the BASX Pro, its even a lot less...say half...for .006 for $4 a race.
Also, I've had a few questions from people about what wheels I ran this weekend so I thought I would share with everyone, instead of just the few that asked me...one word...Predator, on BASX, SS, and SP. These wheels will last long enough for me to say the expense is worth while. I won't argue with the results at least for me, and I cant say it was just the wheels, but they didn't seem to hurt. I will probably pick up another set and build a new street rod for next month also. /images/boards/smilies/wink.gif
You bet I ran the old style wheels at nationals in BASX, and the exact same wheels this last weekend, there was speed available there, and I felt I had worked my prep and car construction to get the most out of those areas. I will run these exact same wheels until I can't fix them up and they just won't compete anymore. I would bet I could get at least 6 races or more, and tuning runs, on this set. When you think about that, its probably less than 10 bucks a race. Well worth it for me...there's probably not one guy on this forum that wouldn't pay $8 per race to get .006 in BASX...for at least six races. When you consider the difference in price over the BASX Pro, its even a lot less...say half...for .006 for $4 a race.
Also, I've had a few questions from people about what wheels I ran this weekend so I thought I would share with everyone, instead of just the few that asked me...one word...Predator, on BASX, SS, and SP. These wheels will last long enough for me to say the expense is worth while. I won't argue with the results at least for me, and I cant say it was just the wheels, but they didn't seem to hurt. I will probably pick up another set and build a new street rod for next month also. /images/boards/smilies/wink.gif
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My blue wheels are predators. It was a set I bought before the 2009 mold change and had John cut them for me.
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