Zero Friction Side Glide Questions

Are you kidding me?!

I think I bought the wrong nail polish!!!

Do you think Sally knows the hubub she has caused in the PWD community?
 
bracketracer said:
laserman said:
Are you kidding me?!

I think I bought the wrong nail polish!!!

Not many times that a man can say THAT!!!

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bracketracer said:
laserman said:
Are you kidding me?!

I think I bought the wrong nail polish!!!

Not many times that a man can say THAT!!!

I have to admit, it was a first for me.

Not for nothing though, Opa brings up an interesting point. Even if the numbers are within the margin of error (and I don't mean to doubt your numbers, the point I am making is that the margin is slim), then this means that any surface can be painted with this stuff, and it will be pretty darn slick. Fascinating stuff.

Opa,
In your next round of tests please include polished Delrin. This stuff is so slippery, I can barely pick it up!
 
laserman said:
bracketracer said:
laserman said:
Are you kidding me?!

I think I bought the wrong nail polish!!!

Not many times that a man can say THAT!!!

I have to admit, it was a first for me.

Not for nothing though, Opa brings up an interesting point. Even if the numbers are within the margin of error (and I don't mean to doubt your numbers, the point I am making is that the margin is slim), then this means that any surface can be painted with this stuff, and it will be pretty darn slick. Fascinating stuff.

Opa,
In your next round of tests please include polished Delrin. This stuff is so slippery, I can barely pick it up!

I'd be curious how the PTFE filled Delrin would compare. The hard surface of the Delrin combined with the slippery PTFE seems like a good combo.
 
I'd be curious how the PTFE filled Delrin would compare. The hard surface of the Delrin combined with the slippery PTFE seems like a good combo.

I did a "sled test" using a BSA wheel turned on it's side and filled with 9 tungsten cubes. I pulled it across sheets of different materials using a small digital hanging scale (made for weighing letters). I tested PTFE, UHMW, & PTFE filled Delrin but have not yet tested plain Delrin.
I thought for sure that the PTFE filled Delrin would test the best. It is very hard and feels very slick to the touch. Sadly, it tested with the most drag of the three. I'm not claiming to be duplicating race conditions here, but thought it would give me some comparison.
I'm wondering how they would test if lubricated.
 
5KidsRacing said:
I have never tried this technique, but it seems a lot more difficult than using a Delrin or Teflon washer. Sorry, I don't have any more info for you/images/boards/smilies/frown.gif
I think you have the right idea about just using a Delrin washer. It's quick and easy to install. I used them on my car that I sent to the December race and my car was pretty quick.

I have a set of the side guides but for now I'm going to continue with delrin washers and work on my race prep and car setup to get quicker.

All good info in this post though!
Thanks!
 
bracketracer said:
laserman said:
Are you kidding me?!

I think I bought the wrong nail polish!!!

Not many times that a man can say THAT!!!

I have to admit it was a bit uncomfortable as I trolled the aisles looking for the polish. And if I didn't get asked once I got asked 5 times if I needed help....No Dammit, I'm fine (grrr).

I'd left the family in the car but I was taking so long that by the time I hit the door they were all coming in with my wife exclaiming at the door...'what, you couldn't find the nail polish you were looking for' (ugh).
 
bracketracer said:
4wheeldrift said:
Just to add to this discussion, we were scrambling last week looking for the Sally Hansen teflon coating as we put final touches on car pack race on Sat, but we couldn't find it at any of the drug stores.

There must be 1,000 bottles of nail polish and there was a huge Sally Hansen section, but no teflon clear. I tested a top coat the wife had that was meant to provide a hard surface, and it caused more drag. We couldn't use washers or inserts for the pack race so I resorted to sanding the surface real smooth and then burnishing with graphite (only graphite allowed). Certainly not as good as teflon insert but I didn't trust trying to use one of the other types of top coats.

When I searched for it, it looks like the Teflon Tuff has been discontinued. Lots of store still have some and it's available online though. I found this: http://www.amazon.com/Sally-Hansen-Triple-Advanced-Hardener-0-45/dp/B0046MLZWU

I haven't tried it yet, but the ingredient list says it also contains PTFE. If I can find it locally, I'll give it a shot.

I went to Target last night to buy a bottle of this stuff. I guess the formula has been changed again because the ingredient list said it now includes titanium instead of teflon! I didn't buy it.
 
Best to order it online. Then you only have to look at your wife eye to eye , and tell her what your using it for. "Its for your son dear"
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...SPIRIT......
 
4wheeldrift said:
bracketracer said:
laserman said:
Are you kidding me?!

I think I bought the wrong nail polish!!!

Not many times that a man can say THAT!!!

I have to admit it was a bit uncomfortable as I trolled the aisles looking for the polish. And if I didn't get asked once I got asked 5 times if I needed help....No Dammit, I'm fine (grrr).

I'd left the family in the car but I was taking so long that by the time I hit the door they were all coming in with my wife exclaiming at the door...'what, you couldn't find the nail polish you were looking for' (ugh).

LOL!!!!!! That was hilarious!

Good thing they didn't request a price check over the PA system!
 
Hey guys, quick question on nail polish for ya. Told my wife about the teflon tuff and she laughed at me, but this morning she had left a bottle of polish on the table for me! either she's climbing on the derby bandwagon or is being fececious and sarcastic. The polish is Sally Hensons diamond strength with platinum. Now I don't want to send the wrong signals to my boy Nic but it may be slick. I'd never hear the end of it if I went out and bought a bottle of nail polish. I'm gonna do a simple test for slick factor but wanted your expert opinions- think there may be something here?
Greg
 
I did a repeat on the test below. Again, I used an Eliminator car that I had on the shelf. I did not re-prep either the wheels or axles, I just used it as is. The car weighed 5.1 ounces (a bit overweight). The axles were 92s and the wheels were the Jewkes wheels used in 2012. I set up the rear wheels, and never touched them again throughout all the test runs. I.e. I only changed the DFW, and ran every test without ever re-prepping the wheels or the axle. I made sure each run used the same drift (steer). I ran each setup at least six times, and throughout the best and worst test run to get the average.

1. 2.9432 was with sanded wood only.
2. 2.9407 I painted the Teflon Nail Polish over the top of the wood in 1.
3. 2.9394 I painted the Teflon Nail Polish over the top of a Derlin washer
4. 2.9390 This test used only a Derlin Washer
5. 2.9380 This test used only MonoKote over the wheel hole. No washers at all.
6. 2.9365 This test used only a Teflon Washer/
7. 2.9350 In this test I painted Teflon Nail Polish over the Teflon washer in 6.

My opinion is that the test was mostly worthless because:
The margin of statistical error would invalidate most of the tests. I.e. results just happenstance
But, Teflon Nail Polish really does improve chances, at least in BSA races
I should have re-prepped wheels and nails between each set of tests
The temperature changed. I started at noon, and finished at 10 PM. At least a 15 or more difference
When a Teflon washer beat a Derlin, that didn't make sense.

One of these days I will try this again, but maybe with tighter prep conditions, and with an SS car with better products. I.e. the wheels used were not that great.
Maybe post your opinion on how I should run the tests next time that would make it more valid.

However, there you go. Make of it what you will.

OPARENNEN said:
OPARENNEN said:
OPARENNEN said:
Forget the washers. Just use Teflon Clear Coat after sanding the side of the car fine.
Since it's a fingernail polish, it has a small brush in the bottle. The stuff is only 2 or 3 $s a bottle.
Just paint 1/2 inch over the body holes.

Here is what I tested on my SS car Red Flag:

Fastest on top
Slowest on Bottom

1 Teflon Clear coat
2 glued on Teflon washer (slower by 1/100th)
3 MonoKote rolled up the sides (5/1000 slower than number 2)
4 Teflon loose washer (was equal to 3)
5 Only paint (1/100th slower than 3 and 4)
6 Wood Only -- Didn't test this

IMPORTANT POINT: I did this testing several months ago, and no longer have the documentation.
The times above are from my memory, and are inexact. However, the order indicated above is accurate.

Just to be clear. I only used the Teflon polish on the car body. I never used it on the wheel bores. Never thought of it, but if you try, better use it on a set of older wheels that you can throw away.

Sometime in the next two weeks, I am going to do the test again and post the times.
 
Amazing! Thanks so much sharing this info Opa!

I am going to get some for the scout race.

These numbers are so close I feel that you could run these tests over and over and still not come to a definitive conclusion as to which is truly fastest.

There are so many factors, but I am convinced that it is in the running at the very least.

If you do end up running more tests my only request (if the tests were not performed this way already) is to use a plug and play so that there is no way the steer could be altered.

Wait a second. That would probably negate the tests since it would not duplicate usual race set up.

Never mind. Thanks for being so sporting. You are a real philanthropist.
 
I got some of the slide guide in the mail today. First impression, the washers feel slicker. I'll test it out in the February race.
 
OPA, you are a testing machine, 10 hours worth, if I read that correctly. Wow! Thanks for your time and efforts to answer the question at hand.
 
Opa,

Want to make sure I’m reading this correct, but it looks like the MonoKote alone performed very well. I have some of this laying around, did you use the iron on or the adhesive backed MonoKote? I’m thinking this is the biggest bang for the buck without using washers.
 
Interesting that the nail polish over the washer was faster than one or the other. What about nail polish over top the monokote?
 
Question for those of you that used the Sally Hansen #1 Clean Teflon coat. Did you put of coat of hardener over top? It seem'd a little soft to me and was wondering if the hardener over top would help. Hardener has Teflon in it as well. Thanks