Ive tried to read back through old posts regarding axle spray using oil. First time trying oil for scout races and keep in mind I do not have access to Jig. For the most part it seems like Max Pro silicone or Dupont chain saver are the standby reccomendations. I do have access to both of those, is one better than the other or are they both about equal, but not quite as good as jig?
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Max Pro is the closest to Jig. I believe I tried the chain saver long ago and gave up on it. The Max Pro has acetone so like with Jig you must wait 15 minutes for it to evaporate before installing the wheels.
It looks like the chain saver has a dry wax that sticks to the axle, where the max pro leaves a silicone layer. Does the silicone dry?
This is the correct Max pro right?
http://www.ceshowroom.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PETAVWHDS004&click=2&gclid=CjwKEAiAzuK0BRCW4tiLpJT-8TISJADV8cw9ZmrbnOVQ1RJGlXXq3Ol_tf3njbffvdO-be7UvPKLXxoCgnzw_wcB
This is the correct Max pro right?
http://www.ceshowroom.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PETAVWHDS004&click=2&gclid=CjwKEAiAzuK0BRCW4tiLpJT-8TISJADV8cw9ZmrbnOVQ1RJGlXXq3Ol_tf3njbffvdO-be7UvPKLXxoCgnzw_wcB
The Max-Pro has a small amount of oil that I was afraid would not be fast, but it was as good as Jig.
1st post so I will apologize for that in advance. From what I have read here and wherever else online I can find it seems to be that Dupont Chain Saver is acceptable for scout racing. But for adult racing there is an ongoing search for a real replacement to Jigalo and the old Dupont blue can stuff. For example DD4H instructs first time users to apply chain saver on his site selling his oil, but I have read in a forum where he states it is inferior to other axle sprays. I'm not complaining as it makes sense to publish what works, but keep premium secrets secret. I get that as my willingness to share what little I have learned about PWD racing contributed to my son not having enough to hold onto a clear win after a car jumped the track and knocked his alignment off last year. I helped scouts with dads in the hospital and on reserve duty beat us with tweaks at the check-in table, that squeaked them into 2nd and 3rd. The right thing to do resulted in a pact with my son to keep my hands to myself this year.
Pity party not withstanding, my question is what is it about the wax in chain saver that makes it inferior to the silicone in Max Pro? Do the dry silicone sprays cure harder, resulting in a more slippery finish as a boundary against a wheel bore prep that is actually holding the oil?
We have chain saver in hand and want to finish his two cars and ziploc them up until the race to keep dust at bay.
Pity party not withstanding, my question is what is it about the wax in chain saver that makes it inferior to the silicone in Max Pro? Do the dry silicone sprays cure harder, resulting in a more slippery finish as a boundary against a wheel bore prep that is actually holding the oil?
We have chain saver in hand and want to finish his two cars and ziploc them up until the race to keep dust at bay.
I think most of the testing many racers do including myself don't answer exactly why one product is faster, the answer most of us receive through tests is it's faster or it's slower. One change at a time helps be more conclusive. What ingredients make a product slow or fast can be found but you must look at common ingredients among like products. This type of answer will be harder to come by rather then just sending the car down the track and looking at the speed. I know I have spent a bunch of money on prep material that can't beat the stuff I bought from John.
If you go to "You Tube" and search for "White Mountain Jigaloo" you will see John testing out a trick his brother (White Mountain) told him about. It sped him up by over a hundredth. This was 3 years ago so I don't know if the secret is still lurking out there or not.
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Cam-Car said:
Of course, the video doesn't actually go into any of the details of "the trick"...
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKpAaXi86i4http://[/video]
Of course, the video doesn't actually go into any of the details of "the trick"...
I don't know about that. Lets see. It only took 30 min to pull the car apart and put back together and pick up .012 . That's a pretty big clue. It was shocking that it was that easy? Thats a detail. It was with Jig a loo, it was just a different way of applying it, this is a huge detail. Most speed tips will be right in front of you, just appreciate the detail you have right in front of you, most wont just tell you, you must look a little closer, think a little deeper, work a tad bit harder.
I don't know about that. Lets see. It only took 30 min to pull the car apart and put back together and pick up .012 . That's a pretty big clue. It was shocking that it was that easy? Thats a detail. It was with Jig a loo, it was just a different way of applying it, this is a huge detail. Most speed tips will be right in front of you, just appreciate the detail you have right in front of you, most wont just tell you, you must look a little closer, think a little deeper, work a tad bit harder.
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Has anyone else tested max pro? I am using DuPont chain saver now and I am wondering if it is worth testing? Is the 3m silicone lubricant dry spray better. I know jig seems to be the best but I can't find it local.
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I have not tried Max Pro, but if Pony Express is telling you it's faster because he tested it you can trust him on it.
Like PB Blaster? I hadn't thought to do that, but my guess is others have. My guess is, since Krytox is an oil, it's better to have a sealant of some sort over the metal. The sealant of choice has turned out to be silicone and the best known for this application so far is Jig.
Their silicone spray has probably been tested, as I think people like Bulldog has emptied a lot of bank on different silicone sprays in his research ventures.
I think there is equal or better speed to be had in wheel bore sealants at this point.
Their silicone spray has probably been tested, as I think people like Bulldog has emptied a lot of bank on different silicone sprays in his research ventures.
I think there is equal or better speed to be had in wheel bore sealants at this point.
"I think there is equal or better speed to be had in wheel bore sealants at this point."
2016 will be the start of my 3rd season of league racing. My rookie season I followed the DD4H DVD and using DD4H wheel and axle prep products and my cars were pretty competitive. Last season I tried experimenting with all different sealants and waxes and my cars were not competitive at all. So this season it's back to the tried and true products with good prep practices.
IMO stick with what is known to work and tune your car to make it as fast as you can before going out and buying all sorts of products that you have no idea if they work.
2016 will be the start of my 3rd season of league racing. My rookie season I followed the DD4H DVD and using DD4H wheel and axle prep products and my cars were pretty competitive. Last season I tried experimenting with all different sealants and waxes and my cars were not competitive at all. So this season it's back to the tried and true products with good prep practices.
IMO stick with what is known to work and tune your car to make it as fast as you can before going out and buying all sorts of products that you have no idea if they work.
Thanks for the replies and the video. I will try and get some Max Pro in the next week, although as this is our first year that we have allowed oil in our pack race I suspect we are already going to be at or near the top of the pack with bore polish, legends wax against Chain Saver. We built both a drilled cant and a bent axle car with everything else the same.
