Cant do that!

[Papa V Racing]

NG-

You have an out of the box thinking and that is a great thing... I am very interested to see how they run ... This is how allot of guys get what they have by trial and error.. If it does not work you have not failed... You found out that it was not the right thing and move on ...

Best of Luck in all your work as you seek the "speed" .... /images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif/images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif

 

[bracketracer]

This is good stuff Stephen

I know you had to run 4 on the floor with no cant for your boy's scout race.

This must have clearly demonstrated the obstacles one easily overcomes when canting, and the struggle one goes thru when it is disallowed.

If a little is good, then maybe more is better.

Since 1 bad run could set a racer back considerably in the standings, consistency would have to be of prime concern.

I for will be doing some extreme canting.

Besides that it looks more dynamic and visually stunning.

Getting his car right was defintely a challenge!

More's Law applies here too, Joe. Don't go too crazy with the angle.

 

[Guest]

I wonder how much different PWD cars will look 5 years from now.

It would not surprise me if people are canting as much as 366* some day.

 

[Kinser Racing]

I can't 363*! /images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif

 

[GravityX]

This is good stuff Stephen

I know you had to run 4 on the floor with no cant for your boy's scout race.

This must have clearly demonstrated the obstacles one easily overcomes when canting, and the struggle one goes thru when it is disallowed.

If a little is good, then maybe more is better.

Since 1 bad run could set a racer back considerably in the standings, consistency would have to be of prime concern.

I for will be doing some extreme canting.

Besides that it looks more dynamic and visually stunning.

I can see you now Joe... Taking it to the extreme!

[video]http://youtu.be/LgIrDyUEBjY[/video]

 

[Guest]

Hi ODD,

I think that if a flat axle will not want to migrate, but a 3* axle will want to migrate, then at a 6 degree angle it will want to jump out there quicker.

The body should probably be angled to match the angle of the inner bore at 90* so that the gap can be the same at any angle. (I think)

The only reason that I can think of that this is not talked about more often here is:

One would need a pin slightly smaller than 3/16" diameter under the Silver Bullet in order to achieve it.

I think 3/16" comes out to about 6.5* so I am going to look for a long pin that is a tad smaller.

Probably the fellas with bigger set ups do it all the time.

I wouldn't make the body side 90º to the bore, make it a little less to minimise the contact area if it rubs.

You're right Joe. I don't like when the rears rub the rail at all but that's not why I try different cants.

6º might be a little too far SB, but my two fastest SS cars so far are both "not three degrees".

When you say not 90* to the bore does this mean undercut or uppercut?

Does it matter? Would that mean the opposite for the DFW?

Thanks so much guys.

 

[Pacfanweb]

I can't 363*! /images/boards/smilies/thumb.gif

I can't drive 55. Does that count?

 

[bracketracer]

When you say not 90* to the bore does this mean undercut or uppercut?

Does it matter? Would that mean the opposite for the DFW?

Thanks so much guys.

YMMV, but so far I like for the DFW to touch under the axle and the rears to touch over the axle.

 

[Guest]

Thanks as always for the help Stephen.

Cool abbreviation YMMV= Your Mileage May Vary

 

[Guest]

This is good stuff Stephen

I know you had to run 4 on the floor with no cant for your boy's scout race.

This must have clearly demonstrated the obstacles one easily overcomes when canting, and the struggle one goes thru when it is disallowed.

If a little is good, then maybe more is better.

Since 1 bad run could set a racer back considerably in the standings, consistency would have to be of prime concern.

I for will be doing some extreme canting.

Besides that it looks more dynamic and visually stunning.

I can see you now Joe... Taking it to the extreme!

[video]http://youtu.be/LgIrDyUEBjY[/video]

LOL!!!
That was SWEET!!!
Did you see all those trophies he won?
That is all I am saying.

 

[GravityX]

So for today's math lesson there are 360° in a circle.

So the values of 363° and 366° have simply come full circle with a remainder of 3° and 6° respectively.

If the math is done correctly the 366° should equal 6° and 363° should equal 3°. (But you guys knew this, just throwing it out there)

For some more math, alt + 0176 = degrees, for those inquiring minds.

 

[GravityX]

6º might be a little too far SB, but my two fastest SS cars so far are both "not three degrees".

On a side note: ...and not 6° either. /images/boards/smilies/smile.gif

 

[GravityX]

I thought maybe you would like that Joe, some Extreme Camber (cant) cars.

They even race these cars like this, you'll be tearing up some tires real fast for sure.

 

[Guest]

I thought maybe you would like that Joe, some Extreme Camber (cant) cars.

They even race these cars like this, you'll be tearing up some tires real fast for sure.

That thing looks like it is doing the limbo!

If all works out well with the 366* cant I may just push the envelope with a 726* cant after that

 

[Guest]

Oh good! Riddles!

Ok Br,

Sometimes it is fun to free yourself from the burdens of reality and let your mind wander.

Ok. I'll bite. What is faster than the nail head?

I suspect sarcasm so don't say Sally Hansen?

The wider profile thing is really just a general rule meant for scout dads in my opinion.

Is a boat with pontoons slower?

You have me stumped on the last one though. I give up.

Why?

I can't find Chief's car. it sounds interesting.

OK BR,

I submit. You were right on the "thin to win" being a 3 dimensional rule.

Thanks,

 

[Guest]

Like OPA said. There comes a point where it'll be harder for the wheel to migrate to the head of the axle. For example. I know flat, doesnt migrate out, 3° migrates out, so in theory you're thinking at 6° it'll be even faster. What about 45°? There has to be a point like OPA said at a certain angle where the down force of the weight, plus the additional higher angle will create more fritction and actually slow the wheel to the axle head. But like I said, I've never tried 6° cant, so I can't say for sure if it'll be any faster or not. But my guess is no.

Hey Mike,

Do you misquote people on purpose?

Maybe you are just one of those airplane mechanics that can't tell a C-130 from a C-131!

Please do me a favor and don't ever quote me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX3kxAA2L4Q

 

[davet]

We ran 2 degrees in the rear with bent axles. We don't have the Block and everyone here told us not to bend the axles but we had to. But, because we had to bend them I only went 1.5-2 degrees. It took a looong time to get the rears aligned straight before each event (we reprepped before each event). After 3 events and 15 heats I can see no sign of the rear wheels banging against the body.

 

[B_Regal Racing]

I feel your pain. I used to bend the rears too and it would take an eternity to align, because it could be done. I would not even think of a re-prep. After lurking here, I broke down and bought a bullet from John. My rear alignment is perfect every time. No problem at all re-prepping I'm not trying to sell you a Bullet, but IMHO, its worth its weight in gold, even if you only build one car a year.

(of course, you do need a drill press laying around as well)

 

[davet]

I just noticed the play on words with thread title....I'm slow.

 

[ngyoung]

If you don't have a drill press I would suggest getting on Goat boy's list to get one of his precision drill blocks when he makes another batch. It took a few months but he messaged back when he had some made and I just got one. Now I just need to get a #43 drill bit and 92x axles.