I think the ultimate decision needs to come from the guys currently racing street rod. I can say yes Id like to see the change b/c I eventually want to get into street rod, but not being in the series my say shouldn't matter.
Proposed Street Rod rule change
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I am not following you at all here Kinser. With the addition of the 1:24 scale there is likely to be a lot more cool looking late model (almost all foreign) sports cars racing US made muscle cars from the 60's and 70's ... I don't think that is anything like "where the class originated" with the three US brand car models - but I am totally fine with it. The faster cars will win and it will be neat to see if the sleek little cars battle the longer muscle cars.Kinser Racing said:
We need more cars in this class !!! Open it up ! I say make the max length 8.75" too to throw the big car builders a bone !
And Obsessed Derby Dad ... your opinion, and that of others who are not in the class yet does matter, because we want it to grow and that takes new builders !
Opening it up to other brands and the 1:24 scale would be fine...as long as we remember what ruined this class in the first place: racers had the "anything to win" mentality and were doing all kinds mods to get any aero advantage they could. In the end, the cars were barely recognizable. And then the lexan bodies were used, further bastardizing the spirit of the class, so be careful of what you wish for.
I do agree with Quadad about the longer cars. I have a 69 Daytona Charger I would love to run again, but that thing is like 9 inches long!
I do agree with Quadad about the longer cars. I have a 69 Daytona Charger I would love to run again, but that thing is like 9 inches long!
ah man!! that Daytona charger is the super car! That bullet aerodynamic nose and the spoiler on the back....its all aerodynamics....but as you said its so darn long!!!!
I do agree with zeeb though....I wasn't racing at the time where people were modifying the bodies so if we do open this up to other model types and size then we just have to make sure the rules are stated as clearly as possible to ensure no one goes down that same path again.
What about those indy formula racing cars...LOL....although how the heck you adapt that piece of pinewood to fit that is beyond me LOL....
instead of the all aerovette race we are going to have the porshe, lambo, Ferrari race....of course with the token American muscle car thrown in LOL...and the occasional skyline and acura...haha
I do agree with zeeb though....I wasn't racing at the time where people were modifying the bodies so if we do open this up to other model types and size then we just have to make sure the rules are stated as clearly as possible to ensure no one goes down that same path again.
What about those indy formula racing cars...LOL....although how the heck you adapt that piece of pinewood to fit that is beyond me LOL....
instead of the all aerovette race we are going to have the porshe, lambo, Ferrari race....of course with the token American muscle car thrown in LOL...and the occasional skyline and acura...haha
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This why I'm apposed to the different model types, making the several changes now brought up, could possibly lead us right back to the Lexan bodies.
Can we please just keep it to changing the scale as long as they meet the dimensions of the current rule set? Thanks!
Can we please just keep it to changing the scale as long as they meet the dimensions of the current rule set? Thanks!
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I think whatever the issues are related to the lexan bodies etc., should be addressed in the new rules. I also wasn't racing in those days to know what was going on.
Allowing 1/24 scale cars will make a fair number of foreign make sports cars viable alternatives. I think increasing the max length by 3/4" will help keep the big cars in the game. Width limits should remain. This will set up some interesting battles with American muscle vs. the hot foreign cars.
Let's keep it fun and get more people racing !!
Allowing 1/24 scale cars will make a fair number of foreign make sports cars viable alternatives. I think increasing the max length by 3/4" will help keep the big cars in the game. Width limits should remain. This will set up some interesting battles with American muscle vs. the hot foreign cars.
Let's keep it fun and get more people racing !!
I don't think opening it up is going to change the numbers personally but starting at Nationals we will open it up.
Not sure what to think of this proposal. I have a few random thoughts...
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I have a Porsche 911 RS and a Porsche 928 ready for build right now. And I have my sights set on a Prowler (just to see if I can do it) and another car that will be wicked cool, although a brick. Now to just wrangle the free time to do it all.
- Why retain the limit to only Revell and AMT? AMT, MPC, and Polar Lights are all the same company. They share molds. Revell and Monogram are of the same company as well. As TedBull said, Tamiya makes some nice models (like my 1998 Subaru WRC car, or Aoshima, which makes a nice model of my own car). I'd think as long as it is a model kit (not slot car body or lexan RC body), it should be good to go.
- I was thrilled to see a '67 Firebird and a GTX (and even a Vega funny car) in the Street Rod finals. Some old school, not too aero cars. (Yes, the aero car won, but it didn't do it walking away.) I don't like the thought that this move to open another scale size is to gain access to more aero cars — an effort to just find the fastest shape, instead of racing the coolest car.
- Frankly, the more aero the car, the more boring it is visually
- A supercar in 1:24 scale is going to be wide. It appeared already that the cars have locked together in a few runs. 1:24 may well exasperate that.
- Do NOT allow cars longer than 8.25" I did extensive research on muscle car era cars to find which models would serve best as PWD cars — that is, the longest distance from front bumper to rear axle, and still be under the 8.25" max. Allowing the extra half inch of length is giving away that much more potential energy (aka speed).
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I have a Porsche 911 RS and a Porsche 928 ready for build right now. And I have my sights set on a Prowler (just to see if I can do it) and another car that will be wicked cool, although a brick. Now to just wrangle the free time to do it all.
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I just don't want the Street Rods to turn out like they became in 2012. Whatever is decided is fine.
Just a thought here ...
Can there be a 1:24th scale class and a 1:25th scale class.. This way the guys that like the different bodies can still race and be competitive?
Can there be a 1:24th scale class and a 1:25th scale class.. This way the guys that like the different bodies can still race and be competitive?
Maybe some day PapaV, but I think that right now, more people voted in this poll than sent Street Rods in to race last month !!Papa V Racing said:Just a thought here ...
Can there be a 1:24th scale class and a 1:25th scale class.. This way the guys that like the different bodies can still race and be competitive?
When it comes to the length of the car, body size is not a important as the distance from the nose to the rear axle. Remember, a lot of those long muscle cars has really long trunk lids.
Maybe there should be a rule stating that if the car is longer than 8.25", then the location of the rear axle can be no further than (whatever dimension) from the nose of the car.
Then my big beautiful winged wonder can once again race to a mid pack finish...LOL!
Maybe there should be a rule stating that if the car is longer than 8.25", then the location of the rear axle can be no further than (whatever dimension) from the nose of the car.
Then my big beautiful winged wonder can once again race to a mid pack finish...LOL!
Since we are talking about rule change proposals, here's one that was discussed a little in the past:
Make the Street Rod competition be a two-part competition. Part 1, a car show and Part 2, speed.
I think this would/could have three benefits:
[list type=decimal][*]Increase the "wow" factor. Personally, I love seeing these cars. A Pontiac Banshee might be pretty aero, but it would make for a really boring PWD car visually. Give me SG3's Pontiac Firebird any day.[*]Reduce the quest for "most aerodynamic design". Sure, you can find a car with a 0.25Cd, but it's going to score really low in the "show" category[*]Might increase the wives' interest. Chicks dig cool cars. They could serve as judges.
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Another re-hashed suggestion: Have a quarterly theme. Muscle Cars. Convertibles. Euro. Rat Rods.
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Heh. Just found this model of the MACH 5, which could be legal* if the mfr was opened up to include Polar Lights. It would be a bear to stage, though.
*It is 1:25 scale, but there is no way of knowing how long the car is.
(I understand that this is a low-participation class, so the first order of business is to increase participation. In that same vein, however, I'd hate to have the quest for speed return us to the days of the lexan bodies)
Make the Street Rod competition be a two-part competition. Part 1, a car show and Part 2, speed.
I think this would/could have three benefits:
[list type=decimal][*]Increase the "wow" factor. Personally, I love seeing these cars. A Pontiac Banshee might be pretty aero, but it would make for a really boring PWD car visually. Give me SG3's Pontiac Firebird any day.[*]Reduce the quest for "most aerodynamic design". Sure, you can find a car with a 0.25Cd, but it's going to score really low in the "show" category[*]Might increase the wives' interest. Chicks dig cool cars. They could serve as judges.
Another re-hashed suggestion: Have a quarterly theme. Muscle Cars. Convertibles. Euro. Rat Rods.
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Heh. Just found this model of the MACH 5, which could be legal* if the mfr was opened up to include Polar Lights. It would be a bear to stage, though.
*It is 1:25 scale, but there is no way of knowing how long the car is.
(I understand that this is a low-participation class, so the first order of business is to increase participation. In that same vein, however, I'd hate to have the quest for speed return us to the days of the lexan bodies)
lol Joel or whomever is staging will have fun with that....a pointed tip on a round peg...only one way to stage the front of the car now!
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Why did this turn out so complicated? Lets keep it simple. I'm feeling like I opened Pandora's Box.
Simple:
Any model kit such that the maximum length is <= 8.25" and maximum width is <= 3.5"
(Provide pic / link to the model kit to verify)
Slightly less simple, but will keep us from seeing a giant Mini up against a smaller Caprice:
1:25 scale only.
BTW:
If the scaling is accurate, the maximum length of a car being modeled in 1:25 is 206.25". For a 1:24 scale, 198".
Maximum widths of 87.5" and 84" respectively.
A plus on a 1:24 scale car is that the wheel openings would be larger. /images/boards/smilies/smile.gif
Any model kit such that the maximum length is <= 8.25" and maximum width is <= 3.5"
(Provide pic / link to the model kit to verify)
Slightly less simple, but will keep us from seeing a giant Mini up against a smaller Caprice:
1:25 scale only.
BTW:
If the scaling is accurate, the maximum length of a car being modeled in 1:25 is 206.25". For a 1:24 scale, 198".
Maximum widths of 87.5" and 84" respectively.
A plus on a 1:24 scale car is that the wheel openings would be larger. /images/boards/smilies/smile.gif
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