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Honestly, it's a shame it had to come to this. You were one of the few I thought were above it all.
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Honestly, it's a shame it had to come to this. You were one of the few I thought were above it all.
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I have to laugh....most of you aren't even aware that my posts are being selectively edited by a mod.
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I have to laugh....most of you aren't even aware that my posts are being selectively edited by a mod.
I would say that too if I would’ve said some of the stupid things that you’ve said.
I have to laugh....most of you aren't even aware that my posts are being selectively edited by a mod.
you mean to say that some of your responses are even dumber than we see ?
Looks like this thread really took a turn for the worst... A lot of insults for such a friendly forum! I for one am grateful for all the positive and useful info given out here.Thank you to all the pros that make this forum what it is. To bad some people have to always have the last word, right or wrong. Ember if you have the nerve to insult the ones that make this forum great, put up or shut up.... Build some cars and send in for May’s Npwdrl race “ain’t play’n with kids here” and it’s definitely not their first rodeo.
I have to laugh....most of you aren't even aware that my posts are being selectively edited by a mod.
You mean that what we are seeing is the edited version?!
I thought is was kind of odd that you started out pretty decent then it spiraled down from there.
Sorry for following you down that rabbit hole. It appeared like you were just trying to provoke an argument.
I will answer one question you posted as I thought is was legitimate. If I thought the GEE fenders held an advantage over the X3 balsa fenders I would run them. I just prefer to hand make my fenders. Building the cars is really where I get my enjoyment from this hobby. But, if somebody comes up with a glue on fender that blows me away. I'll be placing my order.
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Thank you for your response, and I'm willing to put our unfortunate "discussion" to rest , as I hope you are ?
This was my issue, and I'm being completely sincere. I fully understand that you feel wheel weights do not offer an advantage, and such do not choose to use them. And I believe you also feel GEE fenders do not offer an advantage, and choose not to use them.
But if someone on the board asked a question about GEE fenders, I don't believe your response would be to state that no top pros use them, and the results don't lie. It just sat with me the wrong way. Honestly, I guess it bothered me a bit more coming from you, because I have a degree of respect for you that I simply do not have for many of the others.
I like wheel weights, and I like Joe... I like Gee fenders, and I like John, I've had good luck with all four of them.
But of course I also like balsa fenders, and cars with full sets of cube weights....certainly we can all like various things and not attack one another for it.
Ok I’m going to try my best to end this by actually helping @Ember . I know crazy right?
Here’s A video of him helping his Grandson build their car for the world NYC championships. Believe it or not he is a human being just like us. And his grandson is super cute. Hopefully we can forgive him and move on!
Here’s A video of him helping his Grandson build their car for the world NYC championships. Believe it or not he is a human being just like us. And his grandson is super cute. Hopefully we can forgive him and move on!
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okay Ive been pretty dormant for a while but I have been wondering about DWS and his fenders. I dont follow things super closely but I need to ask. Has DWS ever built a car with X3 fenders? Im wondering if he hasnt and he were to take one of his super fast cars with the one piece fenders and take them off and put X3 fenders on it , would it be faster than it was before. I know he would never want to destroy one of his awesome cars but just was wondering if he would be even faster with the X3's. Thanks
DWS has built both types of cars. Its so tough to compare fender designs solely through race results because so many other factors can affect speed. Think about how difficult it is to build two BASX cars that run the same speed. Moreover, every time I build a car, I almost always correct some error that I experienced in a previous build. Without being able to use one car keeping every thing the same while just changing the style of fender, its going to be hard to compare which is better. Now.....I do know someone who has a wind tunnel and I am hoping he PMs me with an experiment that I could help him with...
I would think the full DWS fenders would have an aerodynamic advantage over the X-style fenders, although that might be a very small one, however the full fenders are going to be heavier towards the front of the car compared to the X-style. So difficult to know which factor will be greater. Maybe to compare you can first build the full fender and then shape it into an X-style fender and add more weight to the back of the car as the car get lighter. Having just said that the full fenders are probably more aerodynamic I am wondering if the additional height of the full fender might be a downside. If the car does not go totally straight down the track (like when railriding?), part of the full fender that is angled will experience wind resistance, now this area will be very small but full fenders will have a higher profile then the thin car body or even the X-style fenders so it could add up.
Moving the weight to the back will help speed up the car also. Even though it is a small amount of weight.
Thanks B_Regal that's what I wanted to know. Has he won races with the x3 style?
Not that I know of, but here is the rub, and it goes for all racers. We are always perfecting the assembly and prep process. Even those that were arguing here. Always. Sometimes its hard to know if it was the fenders or something else. DWS was learning (and still is) and may have incorrectly concluded X3 fenders were slower because of something else different he did. I don't know, but all that we can see is the fenders, so we conclude it must be the fenders. That's where your skill as a builder comes into play. One of my biggest faults in PWD is this: when I discount something as the cause of being slow, I rarely go back and retest it to determine if it was actually the reason why the car was slow, or, was it something else. You try to make one modification at a time to evaluate the speed effect, but that really is hard to do.
Here is a great example: you may have read that SS washers are not as fast as teflon washers. I never truly believe anyone's opinion, so I tested that theory several years ago and it seemed to be true. I can tell you this after recently again testing them: they are absolutely as fast as any teflon washer out there when prepped correctly (something everyone would have to determine); however, the preparation was much more difficult to achieve the same speed. So, I stick with teflon washers. I do have some other materials that have initially proven to be faster than teflon washers, but I have more research to do. SS washers were initially slow because of my skill set, not because of the material. Now I know they are as fast (for me anyway), but a pain the a$$ to work with. Two years from now, if I go back and retest them, they may be faster. Who knows.
You read the debate about wheels weights and fenders. Its the builder that makes them fast or slow. What is fast for one racer may be slow for another. If JBD or HurriCrane plastered their prep process right here in this thread, you would still be unable to duplicate their speed because of your technique and skill. The best advice I can give anyone is this: buy a set of wheel weights, make DWS fenders, buy the newest oil, use the latest wax, whatever, and give it due diligence in your testing. Learn how to use it / build it the best you can and determine if it is fast for you. Listen to what people say, but you need to do your homework.
OK - rant over! Send me a PM if you have more pointed questions. I do love watching the circus, but I do not want to be a part of it, even if it all is in jest. PWD is a great hobby and I'm always glad to help another racer.
Here is a great example: you may have read that SS washers are not as fast as teflon washers. I never truly believe anyone's opinion, so I tested that theory several years ago and it seemed to be true. I can tell you this after recently again testing them: they are absolutely as fast as any teflon washer out there when prepped correctly (something everyone would have to determine); however, the preparation was much more difficult to achieve the same speed. So, I stick with teflon washers. I do have some other materials that have initially proven to be faster than teflon washers, but I have more research to do. SS washers were initially slow because of my skill set, not because of the material. Now I know they are as fast (for me anyway), but a pain the a$$ to work with. Two years from now, if I go back and retest them, they may be faster. Who knows.
You read the debate about wheels weights and fenders. Its the builder that makes them fast or slow. What is fast for one racer may be slow for another. If JBD or HurriCrane plastered their prep process right here in this thread, you would still be unable to duplicate their speed because of your technique and skill. The best advice I can give anyone is this: buy a set of wheel weights, make DWS fenders, buy the newest oil, use the latest wax, whatever, and give it due diligence in your testing. Learn how to use it / build it the best you can and determine if it is fast for you. Listen to what people say, but you need to do your homework.
OK - rant over! Send me a PM if you have more pointed questions. I do love watching the circus, but I do not want to be a part of it, even if it all is in jest. PWD is a great hobby and I'm always glad to help another racer.
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