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OCDerbyDad said:
We are not "asking" for secrets or expecting someone to tell us how to do things. We want an even playing field. Putting these wheels in the BASX division and charging $65 for them is counter intuitive, don't you think?

I'd say the playing field has always been level. It just happens to be that some top racers thought about it and took the time, effort and money to make it happen. Coming out with these wheels seems to actually make it MORE level than it was before because it makes them accessible to more people.

As far as them being in BASX, my thoughts are above. It really depends on what BASX is supposed to be. Is it just a minimalist division, or is it really meant to be lower cost of investment division? (And how much lower cost.) Depends on what John wants it to be.
 
This might be my new favorite thread. The comments here are priceless. People mad, people bitter, people salty. I needed a good laugh. What's even more hilarious is the fact that over all these years John could of kept all the secrets and would make 1 thread and everyone else's post would start on page 2 b.c of all his virtual trophies. The fact that he shares (and sells b.c he's a business man) is a luxury for someone like me who hasn't been doing this long. The bottom line is, instead of bashing people for offering you speed and quality products you should thank him. Damn. Glad I ordered fries without salt. There's plenty here.
 
Obsessedderbydad said:
This might be my new favorite thread. The comments here are priceless. People mad, people bitter, people salty. I needed a good laugh. What's even more hilarious is the fact that over all these years John could of kept all the secrets and would make 1 thread and everyone else's post would start on page 2 b.c of all his virtual trophies. The fact that he shares (and sells b.c he's a business man) is a luxury for someone like me who hasn't been doing this long. The bottom line is, instead of bashing people for offering you speed and quality products you should thank him. Damn. Glad I ordered fries without salt. There's plenty here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6PJtidgkhc
 
Am I right in thinking that if John had not offered these wheels for BASX, then "someone" would have been upset that they had not been offered as an option for that class?

Can't make everyone happy.
 
cedron said:
OCDerbyDad said:
We are not "asking" for secrets or expecting someone to tell us how to do things. We want an even playing field. Putting these wheels in the BASX division and charging $65 for them is counter intuitive, don't you think?

I'd say the playing field has always been level. It just happens to be that some top racers thought about it and took the time, effort and money to make it happen. Coming out with these wheels seems to actually make it MORE level than it was before because it makes them accessible to more people.

As far as them being in BASX, my thoughts are above. It really depends on what BASX is supposed to be. Is it just a minimalist division, or is it really meant to be lower cost of investment division? (And how much lower cost.) Depends on what John wants it to be.

Very well said.
 
Obsessedderbydad said:
This might be my new favorite thread. The comments here are priceless. People mad, people bitter, people salty. I needed a good laugh. What's even more hilarious is the fact that over all these years John could of kept all the secrets and would make 1 thread and everyone else's post would start on page 2 b.c of all his virtual trophies. The fact that he shares (and sells b.c he's a business man) is a luxury for someone like me who hasn't been doing this long. The bottom line is, instead of bashing people for offering you speed and quality products you should thank him. Damn. Glad I ordered fries without salt. There's plenty here.

Also very well said.
 
At MA, I violated a cardinal rule and made fun of another's car. A car in the SS class was turining in times of 3 seconds. It had an enormously loud tick, and so I made the statement, "it sounds likes baseball cards in the spoke of a bike" to a few racers watching. I did this in jest (fun and games) and not with the intention to hurt; but, the owner overheard, interpretted it the wrong way, and was offended. He asked for his car back and did not finish the last two heats. I tried to apologize to him so he would not hold the whole NPWDRL group responsible, but there was no reasoning with him. I can tell you I felt ashamed, a bit bummed out. After reading some of this here, well, lets just say I don't feel as bad anymore.
 
Hey B Regal, at least you didn't say it sounded like mine (a coffee can half full of nuts and bolts, kicked down a flight of stairs)

I am trying to get the sounds so it is just nuts or bolts now. One thing at a time, right?

dazed
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DerbyDad4Hire said:
Man this really does sound like a scout race.

All we need is a bent axle comment, tuning on a treadmill advise and a comment or two from Chip and we're set. I'm saving that secret for you john so I can get in with the "in" crowd /images/boards/smilies/smile.gif
 
I think it is in the best interest of our league and John's business to maintain a competitive balance. Releasing the Predator wheel to everyone does just that. While none of my cars were on the new Predator wheels for nationals, you can bet that if I start getting my head handed to me, I'll either have to find the next greatest thing or turn to the predator wheels.

I think if John had approached any one of us racers to test his "new" wheel, we would have jumped at the opportunity.
I know I would have! It does suck not being "picked" but at least the wheels were not kept for just the select few...
 
I've been reading this thread with great interest. In order for John to continue to sell top of the line products some form of testing needs to be done. Best way is to test those products on the track under race conditions. Who does that testing is Johns decision and he probably has some criteria he follows. Not everyone can be a tester.

There seems to be some comments on the cost of the new wheels. When John announced that they were available he told us how much extra work was involved to cut them and they were priced accordingly. Now if the new wheels were the same price as V3s then none of this useless back and forth would be going on. We would all just be buying them like crazy.

I just want to race! Old wheels, new wheels, don't matter to me! They both need to be prepped and if you're doing a good job you can win with either wheel.
 
I know it sucks!!! I had to find and turn my own!! All miss matched and stuff! Don't worry though some of the good ones will be coming my way!!
beatup

Oh and Brian I only had one request of John Not to sell them to you, until we can catch you!!

HurriCrane Racing said:
I think if John had approached any one of us racers to test his "new" wheel, we would have jumped at the opportunity.
I know I would have! It does suck not being "picked" but at least the wheels were not kept for just the select few...
 
Mister B Racing said:
if you're doing a good job you can win with either wheel.

I will respectfully disagree.

The new old wheel$ aren't faster because they are equal. They are faster because they offer an advantage. That advantage comes at a price and availability disadvantage.

With so many good builders at the top, you will need them to have a shot at winning in my opinion.

I said this before, kudos for coming up with the idea - it looks like that award goes to 5Kids.
 
Much discussion took place about the loophole and possible dissent towards it here

http://www.pinewoodderbyonline.com/post/moi-7160152?highlight=moi&trail=15

txchemist said:
I channeled the ghost of Julius and asked your question

And now for the big question...

Is there a loophole somewhere in those rules that would allow for a big advantage.

From my viewpoint there is a huge gaping loophole.

and the answer is YES!!
Rule need to be modified, or contention will arise, however- some are doing a version of this that is an advantage to the present BSA wheel without totally pushing the limits of the rule- we are talking about lowering the moment of inertia.
 
How about if BASX Am requires modern wheels and BASX Pro can run any BSA wheel? The time cutoff could be a sticky wicket since it would relegate a fast Am into the Pro class but if you're beating the cutoff you should be with the Pro's anyway!